How intelligent is Bob Arum?

[Vasyl’s dad]

That was also true when Arum attempted to use the court system to destroy Haymon's 'business' by suing PBC under the Ali Act.

Had Arum had any vision beyond counting money from his next in-house fight, he would've positioned Top Rank to be the most popular and famous 'sham promoter' under the PBC umbrella. He passed on that 'business opportunity'.

What makes you think that Haymon (the 'business') gains anything by giving Top Rank's shrinking (in significance, influence and size) roster a lifeline now?

PBC has already broken Top Rank's back in 'business'. Personal or not, they don't need Arum.

Why be under the pbc umbrella, when you're already the most popular and famous promoter?

Seriously, you guys can't be this dumb, can you? Do you even know anything about TRs history and the amount of legendary fighters and fights they have promoted?

[original zero]

Why be under the pbc umbrella, when you're already the most popular and famous promoter?

Seriously, you guys can't be this dumb, can you? Do you even know anything about TRs history and the amount of legendary fighters and fights they have promoted?

could say the same thing about don king productions. how things working out for them?

[Hype job]

Dey hatin on a slick promoter bruvva who made it, mayne.

all these racist ass clowns trying to keep a bidness bruvva down mayne its sad.

[Scipio2009]

those are low budget fs1 shows and 2 mid level spike cards. relax lol.

NBC is just going to have their two more fights they are owed so they can get that fat pbc check in jan/feb instead of nov/dec. Espn is doing the same next year. Just collecting that fat pbc $$ although this year pbc turned espn cards into fs1 level cards. No more Keith Thurmans and Leo Santa Cruz-Abner Mares level fights in 2016 on ESPN.

The only big fight cards this year will be on non pbc network Showtime who buys fights and isnt part of #freeboxingforall as was the former mantra of pbc

Stevenson-Alvarez needs to find a home, and Golovkin-Jacobs is literally less than a week away from going to purse bid. You add Broner-Burns (as long as Burns comes through his fight), Jack-Degale, Warren-McDonnell, Frampton-Santa Cruz II, and the other fights starting to trickle in (Thurman's mandatory defense, the IBF 147 title shot for Errol Spence Jr, Deontay Wilder getting back into camp, etc), I'd hold off a moment, lol.

No idea how many dates are left, but PBC still has dates for primetime NBC (with the rumor already being that NBC isn't going to be around after the completion on the initial deal) and ESPN, in addition to dates still set for FOX (and possibly CBS, but that seems to have been rolled into the existing Showtime relationship).

With FOX/FS1 and Showtime/CBS still quite interested in PBC (with the likelihood that ESPN probably ends up looking to lock in regular boxing cards for after football season; end of January through the end of August), let the play play out.

Showtime will definitely end up getting the fights that they want for their Winter schedule, but there are more than enough fights in the cue, especially as things start to look toward Jan/Feb 2017, to more than deliver for Showtime and still end up with good fights for the terrestrial PBC shows.

[Scipio2009]

why do you list so many fighters who aren't with Haymon? Start from heavyweight and go down: Joshua, Stiverne, Huck, Bellew, Cleverly, Joe Smith Jr, Groves, Callum Smith, Lee, Khurtiside, Andrade, Brook, Ricky Burns, Provodnikov, Crolla, Shafikov, Quigg and McDowell are all not with Haymon. Any promoter can make fights with those guys smh.

Anthony Joshua is signed with Matchroom Sport (who Haymon does regular business with) and also has a deal in place to have his fights aired in the US on Showtime (who do extensive business with Haymon); Haymon doesn't have any rights to Joshua, but it's not like he and Eddie Hearn can't discuss fights, especially with a Wilder-Joshua fight being the likely biggest money fight for Joshua in the US.

Stiverne, unless there's a story otherwise, left EoTM to be "advised" by Haymon. Huck left his old promoter, setting up shop for himself, but his exposure in the US is through Haymon. And, in nearly every other example, the fighter mentioned is signed to a promoter, who ends up doing significant business with Haymon or someone that does significant business with Haymon (Matchroom, DiBella, Showtime, etc).

Kell Brook is now in a position where HBO may be willing to put up the money to bring him over for Alvarez or Cotto, but who else of the names that you've mentioned has fought outside of the Haymon orbit on US TV (the chit that Haymon has focused on bringing to the table)?

[Scipio2009]

Why be under the pbc umbrella, when you're already the most popular and famous promoter?

Seriously, you guys can't be this dumb, can you? Do you even know anything about TRs history and the amount of legendary fighters and fights they have promoted?

Don King had just about as legendary a run as Arum did. Look where he is now.

Pacquiao, depending on how this self-produced show goes, is 1-3 fights away from being done. Terrence Crawford is a really good fighter, but doesn't have the type of aura to crossover into stardom, Lomachenko is in a similar boat, and the fighter that Arum has recently tried to hitch that wagon to (Verdejo) doesn't look like he has the straight-up boxing skill to be a top fighter.

Arum has Gilberto Ramirez (a 6'2, handsome, Mexican super middleweight, holding a world title at all of 25 years old, with the frame to make a run up over the next decade), so he's not dead yet, but to act as if folks are clamoring for Bob Arum is ridiculous.

[killakali]

Anthony Joshua is signed with Matchroom Sport (who Haymon does regular business with) and also has a deal in place to have his fights aired in the US on Showtime (who do extensive business with Haymon); Haymon doesn't have any rights to Joshua, but it's not like he and Eddie Hearn can't discuss fights, especially with a Wilder-Joshua fight being the likely biggest money fight for Joshua in the US.

Stiverne, unless there's a story otherwise, left EoTM to be "advised" by Haymon. Huck left his old promoter, setting up shop for himself, but his exposure in the US is through Haymon. And, in nearly every other example, the fighter mentioned is signed to a promoter, who ends up doing significant business with Haymon or someone that does significant business with Haymon (Matchroom, DiBella, Showtime, etc).

Kell Brook is now in a position where HBO may be willing to put up the money to bring him over for Alvarez or Cotto, but who else of the names that you've mentioned has fought outside of the Haymon orbit on US TV (the chit that Haymon has focused on bringing to the table)?

doesnt matter. any of those fighters can fight whoever they want. Joshua can fight Parker or Klitschko and Haymon doesn't have any say or benefit with it. Same with the rest.

That is like saying since GBP did the Canelo fight vs Brook that they somehow now have brook. SMH. All those guys have independent promoters and can fight guys like Lomachenko (which Rocky Martinez did through his promoter PRBB since Haymon had nothing for him). Huck just fought in Germany etc etc.

as for Matchroom, Hearn bashes Haymon every chance he can get for keeping DeGale and Selby on the shelf. Lets not pretend they have this great relationship lol.

[killakali]

Don King had just about as legendary a run as Arum did. Look where he is now.

Pacquiao, depending on how this self-produced show goes, is 1-3 fights away from being done. Terrence Crawford is a really good fighter, but doesn't have the type of aura to crossover into stardom, Lomachenko is in a similar boat, and the fighter that Arum has recently tried to hitch that wagon to (Verdejo) doesn't look like he has the straight-up boxing skill to be a top fighter.

Arum has Gilberto Ramirez (a 6'2, handsome, Mexican super middleweight, holding a world title at all of 25 years old, with the frame to make a run up over the next decade), so he's not dead yet, but to act as if folks are clamoring for Bob Arum is ridiculous.

what promoter has signed the most 2016 Olympians so far?

[Kigali]

Dey hatin on a slick promoter bruvva who made it, mayne.

all these racist ass clowns trying to keep a bidness bruvva down mayne its sad.

Go finish dinner....your dog is getting cold..

[Kigali]

what promoter has signed the most 2016 Olympians so far?

The Olympian with the most buzz...youngest...and most talented didn't sign with Arum

Shakur Stevenson.