Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

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  • Helm
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    #191
    Pacman took growth hormones and steroids during his early career to climb weight classes.

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    • travestyny
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      #192
      Originally posted by Divine Hammer
      it's more proof than what u have against manny being a ped user???? is it not???

      and it's absolutely common sense. a pro athlete using iv saline therapy for anything other than rehydration??? that's very very very su****ions considering lance used this same method to cheat his tests. floyd is most likely a cheat. u will have to live with that.
      That makes no sense. That would mean everyone who has ever used an IV is most likely a cheat. De La Hoya, and a host of other dudes. I don't hear anyone talking **** about De La Hoya.

      What I do know is that Pacquiao refused to make the first fight because of drug testing.

      What I also know is that he attempted to use Toradol for the Mayweather fight, though he stated that he was just fine going into the fight.

      So what's your opinion on Pacquiao. Sure seems like he was trying to cheat when his doctor was about to shoot him up with toradol for admittedly no damn reason.

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      • Golovkinchamp
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        #193
        Of course not. He never tested positive and it's not like he had to do IV's after the fight.

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        • HeroBando
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          #194
          Originally posted by travestyny
          Dude, because of how it went down, don't you agree that you must not be understanding something properly????

          I mean seriously. USADA, whose paper you are mentioning, even wrote a long as document defending what they did. Could it be that...YOU ARE WRONG? Who would know better? It's kind of ****** for you to argue that they are in the wrong using their own rules.

          Did it ever occur to you that what they mean by approval is what Floyd did by seeking their approval before having the IV. However, it needed to be formally granted retroactively???

          This is not rocket science.

          In a letter from USADA to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) on May 21, 2015, the NSAC was informed of Mr. Mayweather’s approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) and advised that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to a USADA doping control officer who was at his home for collection of a sample. Mr. Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion. The urine provided by Mr. Mayweather on May 1, 2015, was subsequently tested and has been reported by the World Anti-Doping Agency accredited laboratory as negative.”
          http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

          This ends your speculation. Says it right there. Hope you had a good time playing
          It doesn't say advance application (much less same day lol), it says advance approval. So not retroactive, get it? The criteria for retroactive IV Tue are clearly listed, and Floyds home visit was explicitly listed as not eligible for a retroactive Tue. It's no use trying to obfuscate, it's crystal clear

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            #195
            Originally posted by HeroBando
            It doesn't say advance application (much less same day lol), it says advance approval. So not retroactive, get it? The criteria for retroactive IV Tue are clearly listed, and Floyds home visit was explicitly listed as not eligible for a retroactive Tue. It's no use trying to obfuscate, it's crystal clear
            Dude. You are being ignorant. Here is more from the writers of your papers, and it's just as I told you.

            Like most substances and methods on the WADA Prohibited List, the use of IVs in this manner is prohibited without a TUE. When an athlete has an approved TUE, as in the case of Mr. Mayweather, who received a retroactive TUE for his use of an IV containing saline and vitamins, it is not a violation of the WADA rules to use the substance or method.
            Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of the WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE).

            http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf


            Now what???

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            • Divine Hammer
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              #196
              Originally posted by travestyny
              That makes no sense. That would mean everyone who has ever used an IV is most likely a cheat. De La Hoya, and a host of other dudes. I don't hear anyone talking **** about De La Hoya.

              What I do know is that Pacquiao refused to make the first fight because of drug testing.

              What I also know is that he attempted to use Toradol for the Mayweather fight, though he stated that he was just fine going into the fight.

              So what's your opinion on Pacquiao. Sure seems like he was trying to cheat when his doctor was about to shoot him up with toradol for admittedly no damn reason.
              it's not just the controversial iv for floyd, it's also the abnormally low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, the fact he is very close friends with someone who owns TRT clinics, he has had 3 dirty tests swept under the rug, vampire facial, his TMT fighters (who he works closely with) testing dirty, etc. etc.

              it's all there. anyways im getting sleepy. goodnight.

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              • HeroBando
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                #197
                Originally posted by travestyny
                Dude. You are being ignorant. Here is more from the writers of your papers, and it's just as I told you.

                Like most substances and methods on the WADA Prohibited List, the use of IVs in this manner is prohibited without a TUE. When an athlete has an approved TUE, as in the case of Mr. Mayweather, who received a retroactive TUE for his use of an IV containing saline and vitamins, it is not a violation of the WADA rules to use the substance or method.
                Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of the WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE).

                http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf


                Now what???
                Sorry if I put more weight on their rulebook then their damage control PR release.

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                  #198
                  Originally posted by Divine Hammer
                  it's not just the controversial iv for floyd, it's also the abnormally low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, the fact he is very close friends with someone who owns TRT clinics, he has had 3 dirty tests swept under the rug, vampire facial, his TMT fighters (who he works closely with) testing dirty, etc. etc.

                  it's all there. anyways im getting sleepy. goodnight.
                  lol. 3 dirty tests? Riiight? No need to even discuss that or most of the other stuff you mentioned. If you want, we can discuss the t/e thing another time.

                  Goodnight, bro.

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                  • travestyny
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                    #199
                    Originally posted by HeroBando
                    Sorry if I put more weight on their rulebook then their damage control PR release.
                    So now WADA is part of damage control?

                    WADA is the sole controller. If you can't see that...well, not sure what else to tell you.

                    You still haven't answered why Floyd would have to use an IV or why he would have to apply for a TUE if he paid off USADA so that he can take PED's. How does that make sense logically?

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                      #200
                      Just another pathetic attempt to smear pacquiao lol. Can't blame them though most western men are physically weak and feminine.

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