Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

[travestyny]

yes i do. and how exactly would like floyd get it??? after all of these years of experience hahahahhahahaha.

How would he get it? You just told me you know what it is and how it is caused. If you did, you'd know that one cause is dehydration, amongst others.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/con-20031445

In the link, you'd see that another cause is mudbutt. Did he have mudbutt? Who the **** knows. The point is you don't have a case to say what was done wrong without the medical records.

Beyond that, you have a far way to go to make the leap from an IV being allowed to PED use. It's asinine to think he had 22 IV's and one waiting for him at the back of the MGM. Be real about it.

It's also asinine to argue that you can't get something because you've never had it in the past. How does that make sense?

[Divine Hammer]

How would he get it? You just told me you know what it is and how it is caused. If you did, you'd know that one cause is dehydration, amongst others.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/con-20031445

In the link, you'd see that another cause is mudbutt. Did he have mudbutt? Who the **** knows. The point is you don't have a case to say what was done wrong without the medical records.

Beyond that, you have a far way to go to make the leap from an IV being allowed to PED use. It's asinine to think he had 22 IV's and one waiting for him at the back of the MGM. Be real about it.

It's also asinine to argue that you can't get something because you've never had it in the past. How does that make sense?

yah and when u have hyponatremia that last thing u want to do is drink liquids which is what floyd was doing after weigh-in hahahahahahahaha. of course he didn't have it. please this is easy to understand.

yes floyd most likely was dehydrated (only mild) which is easily solved by drinking liquids which he did. do u think if he had hyponatremia and the people around him knew, do u think they would allow him liquids to drink?????? use ur head please.

[HeroBando]

It's so clear cut.....


Yet you just stated that it was only allowed in the case of a medical emergency....and somehow that means it would not be allowed if a doctor visits a home? Does that make sense to you? In the event that the medical condition is discerned directly before the event, how is the testing agency to handle it?

That's what the retroactive TUE is for. This is what is made clear in the link I gave that discuses retroactive TUE's specifically.

If a condition is severe enough to justify more than 50ml of masking agent IV (nevermind 15x that much) a home visit is not good enough, sorry. . Thats what Usadas rules say. If he was in such bad shape theyd take him to the hospital and administer an IV. You're just reaching for excuses and loopholes but there's no wiggle room.

[travestyny]

yah and when u have hyponatremia that last thing u want to do is drink liquids which is what floyd was doing after weigh-in hahahahahahahaha. of course he didn't have it. please this is easy to understand.

yes floyd most likely was dehydrated (only mild) which is easily solved by drinking liquids which he did. do u think if he had hyponatremia and the people around him knew, do u think they would allow him liquids to drink?????? use ur head please.

So if he is dehydrated, he wouldn't drink? That somehow makes sense to you?

How about an IV? Do you now concede that it would be useful, or is that still for only when you can't physically drink?

Have you used your head this entire time, or did I have to spoon feed you all of this **** that you should have been able to figure out all by yourself?

[Divine Hammer]

So if he is dehydrated, he wouldn't drink? That somehow makes sense to you?

How about an IV? Do you now concede that it would be useful, or is that still for only when you can't physically drink?

Have you used your head this entire time, or did I have to spoon feed you all of this **** that you should have been able to figure out all by yourself?

nope. u do fluid restriction because of low sodium. but it's very uncommon to have it because of dehydration. another reason why he most likely didn't get it. best ways to treat hyponatremia is through iv therapy to get sodium levels to normal. so it doesnt make sense for floyd to have hyponatremia because he showed no signs, was drinking liquids which is big no no, and hyponatremia from dehydration is rare.

again this is simple stuff. u keep grabbing useless links to support ur case but u fail.

[travestyny]

If a condition is severe enough to justify more than 50ml of masking agent IV (nevermind 15x that much) a home visit is not good enough, sorry. . Thats what Usadas rules say. If he was in such bad shape theyd take him to the hospital and administer an IV. You're just reaching for excuses and loopholes but there's no wiggle room.

Severe enough to justify more than 50 ml???

lol. You do realize that 1000ml is used to cure a hangover, right? And there are plenty of services that will drive one of those right up to your door.

[travestyny]

nope. u do fluid restriction because of low sodium. but it's very uncommon to have it because of dehydration. another reason why he most likely didn't get it. best ways to treat hyponatremia is through iv therapy to get sodium levels to normal.

So now you are an expert when you couldn't even tell me that dehydration was a cause. Now that is uncommon?

Dude, just admit that you don't have enough information to know what went down. There is nothing wrong with that. If you believe he cheated, well then fine. I'm not here to try to convince you otherwise. But it's clear that you don't have any proof when you make up scenarios where he had to take multiple IV's. Going by the facts, it's clear you don't have enough evidence.

[Divine Hammer]

So now you are an expert when you couldn't even tell me that dehydration was a cause. Now that is uncommon?

Dude, just admit that you don't have enough information to know what went down. There is nothing wrong with that. If you believe he cheated, well then fine. I'm not here to try to convince you otherwise. But it's clear that you don't have any proof when you make up scenarios where he had to take multiple IV's. Going by the facts, it's clear you don't have enough evidence.

i knew it was. but to me it didn't make sense for it to be dehydration (because it's so rare). i was thinking of excess water. meaning he drank too much fluids in after weigh-in. but that doesn't make sense for floyd because it would have to be A LOT and thats a rare case for a boxer after weigh-in. u usually see hyponatremia cases in something like marathons.

i didn't need to google research this and grab links unlike u numbskull.

[HeroBando]

Severe enough to justify more than 50 ml???

lol. You do realize that 1000ml is used to cure a hangover, right? And there are plenty of services that will drive one of those right up to your door.

I'm going by the Usadas rules. All those are explicit prohibited without a prior TUE, together with home visits. You asked for a link, you got it, and now you don't like the rules. Now appealing to examples of recreational use that would get you laughed out of the room under true Wada supervised OST

[travestyny]

i knew it was. but to me it didn't make sense for it to be dehydration (because it's so rare). i was thinking of excess water. meaning he drank too much fluids in after weigh-in. but that doesn't make sense for floyd because it would have to be A LOT and thats a rare case for a boxer after weigh-in. u usually see hyponatremia cases in something like marathons.

i didn't need to google research this and grab links unlike u numbskull.

Then why didn't you mention it, smart guy? I asked you outright, and you didn't say ****. Funny how you are now mentioning this stuff after I linked you to the right spots.

Calling bull**** on you, numbskull.