Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

[Elotero]

This is some ******ed ass logic right here.

Oh, but in your mind he's totally clean right? Theres superstatrs coming from those parts all the time eh? **** outta here..

[Lester Tutor]

“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules.

Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very su****ious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited?

In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.” - Victor Conte

Try adding the above to your video.

as requested.. above the video!

[Elotero]

No its an ignorant argument so I won't agree with you, plus your just wrong.

I did a little research on this just to show you why you are wrong as well, Mexico breed professional fighters, they turn pro early and have a great heritage at doing so, yes you are right they are a successful boxing country when it comes to the professional game. In the Philippines it is similar in the sense that they tend to produce more professionals than amateurs, just not anywhere near as successful at it, the fighters in both countries tend to come from poor backgrounds, so the good one's with ability go pro early, this is pretty normal. Neither country has a successful amateur programme.

Mexico has 12 olympic medals to date in total, the Philippines have 5. Your ignorance is highlighted further in your last paragraph, Hungary is 6th on the all time list with 20 medals including 12 gold medals. So a fighter going to the top of the professional ranks from their would be unique, but NOT su****ious at all. In fact if you play the odds its surprising they haven't yet produced one.

That isn't even the biggest bombshell - the Philippines have produced 39 world champions in their history. That is a serious amount for a country who 'rarely produce quality'. I think you need to do more research next time before you talk with such ignorance, your first post wasn't even that bad but the fact that you still argued on after that without a facts based argument is pretty dumb overall.

I have made this thread and openly admitted that I think Pacquiao was on PED's but to say that he couldn't achieve certain things or special things because of what country he is from is idiotic. Especially when you consider the above points and the fact that it isn't such a one off. There are plenty of examples of boxers and sports stars from countries with no heritage in that given sport, that list is long and notorious.

To answer yet another idiotic presumptuous comment, no I am not from the Philippines, I am from the UK. Just to emphasis my point further, in my humble opinion we currently have the best driver in Formula 1 and one of the best of all time. He is the first black driver in F1 history, he has an english mother and his father is from Grenada, the population of Grenada is 100,000 people, yet this guy with half of that blood pumping through his veins has gone on to become one of the greatest drivers of all time. I rest my case.

You know how I know youre full of ****? You keep trying to compare Mexico with Phillipines. One is a know boxing powerouse country and the other isnt.

Please cite your source for these 39 champions they have im curious to what era this was/ weight classes these are in. I have a feeling you will only further prove my point - they dont do well above a certain weight and past that weight it should be a red flag for PEDs.

Also, thank you for proving that Hungary is much more of a candidate for producing top P4P talent than the Phillipines. The fact that they havent, but that Island has... you have to be living with your head up your ass. Im sure you voted for Brexit too ? LMAO

/thread

[DinoCop]

"I've never known a man who turned down 20 million dollar drug test" Floyd.

[Hype job]

Oh, but in your mind he's totally clean right? Theres superstatrs coming from those parts all the time eh? **** outta here..

Look up the word anomaly. Are we going to suspect every successful athlete who comes from a country not renowned for sporting success?

You're argument is essentially that you think asians are genetically inferior so there's no way one could be a p4p star.

Boxing is a niche sport anyway, it's not like Mexicans dominate any sports anyone gives a damn about, other than the lower weights of boxing.

[KnockoutKings]

Anything is possible these days. Wouldn't surprise me if every athlete at one point or another took an banned substance to help them whether its for recovery or performance enhancing. Knowingly or not.

[rambov]

The person who told me he was on the juice was legit. I knew then.

[Dr.Cool]

I haven't even read the other comments. Any unbiased, reasonable person looking at everything would say yes. Yes he definitely used something illegal. Roach and Manny admit they didn't know what Ariza was giving him. The sudden emergence of unreal power began when Ariza came on board. Beginning with Diaz or whoever at lw. Then he clearly rocked Cotto numerous times and finally got the ko. Oscar couldn't do anything against the much smaller Manny because Manny had power that he didn't have before. He was ko'ing everyone, then he turned down a mimimum of $50 mill for a fight because he was "scared" of being tested. People started pointing to Ariza and noticing the power came when he did. Roach heard all of this and kicked Ariza out. And since then Manny hasn't had a single ko victory. Knocked out ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto in a row but then the same shots don't hurt anyone. A high def. video recorder of him using is the only proof that hasn't emerged. Highly doubt its just Pac. Holyfield had every single sign and symptom of steroid use. People noticed and a reporter even asked Holyfield about it. Then 20 years later he gets busted having a mini-pharmacy delivered via mail. I would bet my life that G, Povetkin, and Kovavlev has. Floyd might have though there is nothing suggest it except for stamina at nearly 40. State athletic commissions allow boxers to rehydrate after the weigh-in. That Floyd called and had USADA come out check everything out, saw it was just saline and stayed and watched. Even Arum said that is not su****ious at all. USADA has brought down Lance Armstrong, Jon Jones, and Brock Lesnar. But all of their employees are secretly helping Floyd cheat. I don't know about the last few years, but Floyd probably did earlier too. If you are a professional boxer and everyone- literally everyone- is using peds and you know can get away with it, why wouldn't you take that advantage??? That extra lil bit of power or stamina can make the difference between getting real money fighting on tv or just being someone top prospects beat to gain experience.

[ADP02]

Such a scandal and fiasco that everyone is still talking about it. And by everyone I mean the Pacroaches....who can't deal with their loss.

You should learn something. Allow me to teach you. The doping control agent doesn't have to be a doctor. He/She is there to follow the guy around and make sure he doesn't do anything fishy, amongst other duties. A partial sample was taken from before the IV, and a sample was taken after the IV. The samples are then tested. If there is a failure, the TUE would not hold up. Again, HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TEST POSITIVE FOR ANY BANNED SUBSTANCE EVEN IF THE TUE IS GRANTED BECAUSE THE TUE WAS GRANTED FOR A PROHIBITED METHOD, NOT A PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE! This is WADA's procedure, but maybe you'd like to go and tell the scientists at WADA that they aren't doing their jobs correctly?

You are still on this bs saying that USADA was in Mayweather's pocket, yet you still can't explain:

1. Why did Mayweather have to use an IV if USADA was in his pocket?
2. Why did Mayweather need a TUE if USADA was in his pocket? Sure, let's both do something illegal and make a paper-trail of it. That would make things interesting!
3. Why was the TUE revealed if USADA was in his pocket? Let's draw attention to the paper trail of medical records that we falsified. LMAO
4. How did this IV mask the 20 other drug tests? Magically!

Oh, I remember, you said that he had multiple IV's. Well then WHY THE **** DIDN'T USADA STAY AWAY FROM THE DOCUMENTED IV THE WAY THEY STAYED AWAY FROM THE OTHER IV(s)?????

Fallacy #1: He didn't take something that was banned, idiot. He used a method that is prohibited without a TUE. The WADA rules clearly state that it's allowed with a TUE. You should learn how to read it, but we both know that you don't even understand two letter words like "OR"!!!!! Have you figured out what it means yet?

Fallacy #2: Two weeks later he asked for it to be approved? WRONG!
There is a procedure for retroactive TUEs, if you haven't been paying attention. Did Mayweather magically pay off WADA and get the ISTUE changed in his benefit...somehow before this fight ever came into fruition?? lol. Now do you see why you're a clown? If you have a problem with retroactive TUE's, go take it up with WADA.

But but but....Mayweather paid of USADA...and WADA, right? And the judges...and NSAC....and the ref....and....

Time for you to get lost, clown. We've gone through this already and you got nowhere. Go home, Roger.

Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again?


Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade.

For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs.

Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!!

TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen.

WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!!

YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket:
a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus!
b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket?
c) Here is USADA statement:
"I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA:

I see I'm touching a nerve
FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue.


FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have let the NSAC know about his medical condition .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!!

"Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd.

Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”
Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

[ADP02]

“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules.

Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very su****ious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited?

In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.” - Victor Conte

Try adding the above to your video.

as requested.. above the video!

I see you have no courage to do that to your hero Floyd. That is called double talk .....