Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

[Lester Tutor]

[HeroBando]

Oh really? Is that what it says?

Then how was it done? And why would WADA not overturn it since WADA has the right to overturn any decision. Maybe you are not understanding the code correctly, huh?

Wada is not involved in pro boxing in any capacity. There's no supervisory body, Usada're hired by the guy they're testing. Its a massive conflict of interest, Imagine team Armstrong hiring testers privately. You think they catch him?

[Divine Hammer]

It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdf

Let's see if you can read.

hahahahahahahahaha of course for cases like hyponatremia iv therapy would be better because u need the iv saline (normal oral rehydration cant help treat this). but did floyd have that??? highly highly doubtful because no documented proof of anything like this (u'd think usada or nsac would come out and say this). again wada states that oral rehydration is superior except when not possible like hyponatremia cases (something floyd didn't have).

so what other reasons for iv therapy????? if floyd has shown time and time again to easily drink liquids as a way of rehydrating.

[travestyny]

Wada is not involved in pro boxing in any capacity. There's no supervisory body, Usada're hired by the guy they're testing. Its a massive conflict of interest, Imagine team Armstrong hiring testers privately. You think they catch him?

What are you talking about? USADA is a signatory of the WADA protocol. They have to follow WADA's rules. Therefore, WADA was definitely involved and WADA has the right to review all decisions of agencies that follow their protocol.

Again, if it's such a big deal that Floyd paid for the testing, and it's your belief that he paid to cheat, why did he need to take an IV? Why did he have to have a TUE? Why was the TUE revealed?


What the hell did he pay for other than testing? Sounds like a waste of money, doesn't it?

[travestyny]

hahahahahahahahaha of course for cases like hyponatremia iv therapy would be better because u need the saline. but did floyd have that??? highly highly doubtful. again wada states that oral rehydration is superior except when not possible like hyponatremia cases.

1. Can you disprove that he had Hyponatremia? You already admit that you can't.

2. Can you diaprove that he had "any other case" that the physician would argue made IV rehydration necessary?

Do you now realize that you stepped in ****? Now if you can go fetch those medical papers, maybe we can get somewhere. If not, you're free to keep speculating about his IV at the back of the MGM Grand.

[Divine Hammer]

1. Can you disprove that he had Hyponatremia? You already admit that you can't.

2. Can you diaprove that he had "any other case" that the physician would argue made IV rehydration necessary?

Do you now realize that you stepped in ****? Now if you can go fetch those medical papers, maybe we can get somewhere. If not, you're free to keep speculating about his IV at the back of the MGM Grand.

1. yes because he was fine during and after weigh-in. no word from usada or nsac. no visible signs of hyponatremia shown. floyd's entire career easily rehydrating via fluids. but all of a sudden gets hyponatremia soon after weigh-in???? doesn't make sense if u use ur head hahahahahahahahaha.

2. what other cases would make sense???? again, floyd easily rehydrates via liquids. so floyd falls ill to some special case requiring iv therapy???? hahahahahahahaha give me break.

[travestyny]

1. yes because he was fine during and after weigh-in. no word from usada or nsac. no visible signs of hyponatremia shown. floyd's entire career easily rehydrating via fluids. but all of a sudden gets hyponatremia soon after weigh-in???? doesn't make sense if u use ur head hahahahahahahahaha.

2. what other cases would make sense???? again, floyd easily rehydrates via liquids. so floyd falls ill to some special case requiring iv therapy???? hahahahahahahaha

Do you even know what hyponatremia is and what causes it?

Please go do some research. I'm getting tired of doing everything for you.

[HeroBando]

What are you talking about? USADA is a signatory of the WADA protocol. They have to follow WADA's rules. Therefore, WADA was definitely involved and WADA has the right to review all decisions of agencies that follow their protocol.

Again, if it's such a big deal that Floyd paid for the testing, and it's your belief that he paid to cheat, why did he need to take an IV? Why did he have to have a TUE? Why was the TUE revealed?


What the hell did he pay for other than testing? Sounds like a waste of money, doesn't it?

Well they clearly haven't reviewed this one as Usada broke the rule on retroactive Tue on IV, it's clear cut. Nor have they ever intervened in pro boxing afaik.

He still has to take the commission test, right? They've been much more effective in snuffing out cheats than Usada btw. It's still pretty lax, but Floyd just wanted to be sure

[Divine Hammer]

Do you even know what hyponatremia is and what causes it?

Please go do some research. I'm getting tired of doing everything for you.

yes i do. and how exactly would like floyd get it??? after all of these years of experience hahahahhahahaha.

[travestyny]

Well they clearly haven't reviewed this one as Usada broke the rule on retroactive Tue on IV, it's clear cut. Nor have they ever intervened in pro boxing afaik.

He still has to take the commission test, right? They've been much more effective in snuffing out cheats than Usada btw. It's still pretty lax, but Floyd just wanted to be sure

It's so clear cut.....


Yet you just stated that it was only allowed in the case of a medical emergency....and somehow that means it would not be allowed if a doctor visits a home? Does that make sense to you? In the event that the medical condition is discerned directly before the event, how is the testing agency to handle it?

That's what the retroactive TUE is for. This is what is made clear in the link I gave that discuses retroactive TUE's specifically.