Comments Thread For: Showtime Sues Top Rank: Mayweather-Pacquiao Legal Fee Dispute

[Zaroku]

So anytime a fighter discloses post-fight that he had some injury, drastic weight loss situation or anything that could potentially make him less than 100% on fight night that he didn't disclose pre-fight there is a potential lawsuit? Thats insane to me.

Yes it is insane, but to file a civil tort, you make allegations, and explain losses.

PAC indicated pre fight, as did Freddie that he was 100 percent, all systems go.
Based on that, and the under penalty of perjury form PAC filled out and signed, the class action lawsuits may be viable.

In civil actions, the legal standard is preponderance of the evidence.
Unlike criminal proceedings where it is reasonable doubt.

I can see why attorneys are suing, PAC's prior inconsistent statements and his failure to fill out a firm he signed, under penalty of perjury may bite him in the azz!

[Eff Pandas]

This lawsuit is a mix of people who feel they would not have bought the fight knowing Manny was injured (because as I said, there'd be no way Manny could win under that situation) and people who lost money.

Hmm I wasn't aware of bettors suing. Admittedly I was pretty whatever about this story from the start doe so wasn't delving deep into the details at any point.

So yes, there is an expectation and always has been.

Oh yea absolutely I understand & agree with this, BUT we all know there are plenty of guys who don't disclose injuries or drastic weight loss situations or issues that came up in training camp that resulted in them at least arguably if not definitely operating at less then their best. And there are probably many more guys who throw out things that are more excuses, like people are suggesting with Manny, that could get them into this same situation. So this happening to Manny means there are a great many guys who could be sued for saying they had an injury which impaired them to some degree going into the fight.

But at least you wouldn't have had this lawsuit fiasco going on and Manny's rep destroyed over lying.

Manny's rep will be fine. This is a dumbass lawsuit, even if there are legit reasons for it being presented or even won if that turns out to be the case.

And I still don't see how this Manny situation is unique in any way whatsoever besides it being filed in the first place. This is such a uncommon thing & a thing casually mentioned post-fight after a L its not even something I pay attention to really.

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Hmm I wasn't aware of bettors suing. Admittedly I was pretty whatever about this story from the start doe so wasn't delving deep into the details at any point.



Oh yea absolutely I understand & agree with this, BUT we all know there are plenty of guys who don't disclose injuries or drastic weight loss situations or issues that came up in training camp that resulted in them at least arguably if not definitely operating at less then their best. And there are probably many more guys who throw out things that are more excuses, like people are suggesting with Manny, that could get them into this same situation. So this happening to Manny means there are a great many guys who could be sued for saying they had an injury which impaired them to some degree going into the fight.


Manny's rep will be fine. This is a dumbass lawsuit, even if there are legit reasons for it being presented or even won if that turns out to be the case.

And I still don't see how this Manny situation is unique in any way whatsoever besides it being filed in the first place. This is such a uncommon thing & a thing casually mentioned post-fight after a L its not even something I pay attention to really.

This is true , but this was the super bowl of boxing it was that big , not some event where nobody really cares , the eyes of the world were on this , not really the event you wanna start any BS in .

Manny and Co fcked up , they thought they could just throw out an excuse like they usually do , but this particular fight was simply too high a profile and too much money was changing hands to be contradicting yourself left right and centre and Team Pac was .

[b00g13man]

So anytime a fighter discloses post-fight that he had some injury, drastic weight loss situation or anything that could potentially make him less than 100% on fight night that he didn't disclose pre-fight there is a potential lawsuit? Thats insane to me.

Claiming that the "injury" was severe enough that it impacted your performance opens you up to litigation. It may not be right, but I can see how a consumer would feel cheated.

[Eff Pandas]

Manny and Co fcked up , they thought they could just throw out an excuse like they usually do , but this particular fight was simply too high a profile and too much money was changing hands to be contradicting yourself left right and centre and Team Pac was .

I think some people are overly harsh with Manny here. This sorta stuff is completely standard, rightly or wrongly. What percentage of guys aren't trying to excuse their way out of a L. Manny didn't f#ck up, Manny did what most cats do when he loses & if he was legit injured going into this fight its not THAT uncommon of a practice & I think the precedence if this goes anywhere will have an interesting impact in combat sports & sports in general potentially (although I do think when guys have injuries in most team sports its info thats out there).

[Eff Pandas]

Claiming that the "injury" was severe enough that it impacted your performance opens you up to litigation. It may not be right, but I can see how a consumer would feel cheated.

Yea okay, but again A LOT of mfers gonna get sued if this is successful. Post-fight interviews will become a thing of the past & not talking to the media in general for x period of time after a fight, til you & your team get your story straight, will become normal.

If I were to get out my NSB law degree I'd even suggest this shouldn't even be a hard thing to get out of as who's to trust a guy who's just been hit in the head for the previous 36 minutes & could be upset with the outcome. Idk I just have a super hard time seeing this going anywhere & the nuttiest thing is how much money has been spent on this bs.

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I think some people are overly harsh with Manny here. This sorta stuff is completely standard, rightly or wrongly. What percentage of guys aren't trying to excuse their way out of a L. Manny didn't f#ck up, Manny did what most cats do when he loses & if he was legit injured going into this fight its not THAT uncommon of a practice & I think the precedence if this goes anywhere will have an interesting impact in combat sports & sports in general potentially (although I do think when guys have injuries in most team sports its info thats out there).

You need top tell that to the people that lost their money backing him , the day before the fight he is telling his followers he will win no problems , not really an honourable thing to do if you have an injury you are not disclosing , Asians are made gamblers I bet some individual lost a fortune and would not have bet if they thought he was injured going in .

You got to look at the big picture from all perspectives Manny talked it up large saying he was better than ever , this was not just any ol world title fight .

[Rath]

You need top tell that to the people that lost their money backing him , the day before the fight he is telling his followers he will win no problems , not really an honourable thing to do if you have an injury you are not disclosing , Asians are made gamblers I bet some individual lost a fortune and would not have bet if they thought he was injured going in .

You got to look at the big picture from all perspectives Manny talked it up large saying he was better than ever , this was not just any ol world title fight .

those who bet for pac should not have lost,

Red corner won according to the final score card

[Tomjas]

Numerous fans sued Top Rank, HBO, Showtime and everybody else because they didn't disclose Pac's injury. Showtime wants Top Rank to reimburse them for legal fees incurred defending these lawsuits.

Top Rank had also allegedly indemnified Showtime

I have literally just gone through a similar court case where I (call me Showtime) was forced to defend a lawsuit despite being indemnified by a fellow defendant (call them Top Rank/Manny).

Court found that I had no role to play in the proceedings, dismissed the lawsuit and awarded me costs against both the plaintiff and co-defendant - sounds great until you factor in that it took 6 months out of my life and you only ever get 50-65% of your costs back so left me in need of a good holiday and over 100k out of pocket

That was under Australian law and other major possible difference is that plaintiff ought reasonably have known that I had been indemnified

I'd say that Showtime probably has a case and TR/Manny will be trying to haggle them down

In any event, there is no point going to court over 600k as lawyers will chew that up in a heartbeat

[Eff Pandas]

You need top tell that to the people that lost their money backing him , the day before the fight he is telling his followers he will win no problems , not really an honourable thing to do if you have an injury you are not disclosing , Asians are made gamblers I bet some individual lost a fortune and would not have bet if they thought he was injured going in .

You got to look at the big picture from all perspectives Manny talked it up large saying he was better than ever , this was not just any ol world title fight .

Everyone does that. Thats called marketing, not betting advice.

And again I'm not into this whole Manny angle that tends to bring out way too emotional responses from people who love or hate him. I'm saying in general if fighters can be sued over not disclosing injuries its gonna change how certain things work or how certain people in the sport do things.

I mean there is surely a backlog of fighters who can be sued over injuries they didn't disclose til after the fight if you simply go watch some past fights. I can probably count on both hands the # of people who said they lost because they were 2nd best that night over the last 12 months. And among all that high % of lies about not being 2nd best there is some excuses that were the result of an injury, a weight issue or some other thing from their training camp. Those would became potential lawsuits lol. That'd be nuts & horrible for boxing if that became a thing.

Hell if a guy misses weight & a fight gets canceled & I spent 5k to come down to Vegas to watch the fight can I sue for my 5k back too? There is a lot of scummy ass doors that get opened if this goes anywhere. People trying to nerf the world with this sorta ****. Life has risks. Deal with it.