Comments Thread For: Showtime Sues Top Rank: Mayweather-Pacquiao Legal Fee Dispute

[Zaroku]

Hmm I wasn't aware of bettors suing. Admittedly I was pretty whatever about this story from the start doe so wasn't delving deep into the details at any point.



Oh yea absolutely I understand & agree with this, BUT we all know there are plenty of guys who don't disclose injuries or drastic weight loss situations or issues that came up in training camp that resulted in them at least arguably if not definitely operating at less then their best. And there are probably many more guys who throw out things that are more excuses, like people are suggesting with Manny, that could get them into this same situation. So this happening to Manny means there are a great many guys who could be sued for saying they had an injury which impaired them to some degree going into the fight.



Manny's rep will be fine. This is a dumbass lawsuit, even if there are legit reasons for it being presented or even won if that turns out to be the case.

And I still don't see how this Manny situation is unique in any way whatsoever besides it being filed in the first place. This is such a uncommon thing & a thing casually mentioned post-fight after a L its not even something I pay attention to really.

Even a Philippine law firm is suing Top Rank, Freddie, etc, but not PAC

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This is a good short video!

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[Zaroku]

please break it down for me. Tell me what this whole lawsuit is for an what will it accomplish

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This is a good start!

[Zaroku]

But they said it was real.

'Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.'

Manny claims he didn't fill out the form, konz did. I doubt that too.

Manny will be destroyed if this case goes to depositions. So many prior inconsistent statements, that will be challenged. So many videos showing him in action, giving interviews, etc.

PAC fans will be sad, spoon23 will be suicidal. His God is being sued.

[Zaroku]

No wonder there's no rematch..

The plot thickens..

C'mon man, your boy is being sued too for being a liar.

[tangalog2200]

C'mon man, your boy is being sued too for being a liar.

this is where most of you i believe go wrong.....

the real issue here is between showtime and tr.......about who should shoulder the legal fees....

showtime and tr are slugging it out based on whatever agreement they have in place (way before the fight took place)...that they now have conflicting interpretations......

mind you, with the above, this issue is separate and distinct from the other class suits related to pac's "lies"....

for one, the fans who sued surely wanted money....but they do not really care from who/where the money will come from....nor do they care about showtime's and tr's arrangements regarding this fight...

[Zaroku]

this is where most of you i believe go wrong.....

the real issue here is between showtime and tr.......about who should shoulder the legal fees....

showtime and tr are slugging it out based on whatever agreement they have in place (way before the fight took place)...that they now have conflicting interpretations......

mind you, with the above, this issue is separate and distinct from the other class suits related to pac's "lies"....

for one, the fans who sued surely wanted money....but they do not really care from who/where the money will come from....nor do they care about showtime's and tr's arrangements regarding this fight...

Yes. It is a contract dispute. But the lawsuits are coming as a result of PAC's lies. His lies triggered lawsuits against HBO, TR and show time.

But I agree with you.

But, PAC's inconsistent statements started the whole thing.
Should have taken the loss like he did when he lost to Bradley.

How do you feel about fans suing PAC?

[Zaroku]

this is where most of you i believe go wrong.....

the real issue here is between showtime and tr.......about who should shoulder the legal fees....

showtime and tr are slugging it out based on whatever agreement they have in place (way before the fight took place)...that they now have conflicting interpretations......

mind you, with the above, this issue is separate and distinct from the other class suits related to pac's "lies"....

for one, the fans who sued surely wanted money....but they do not really care from who/where the money will come from....nor do they care about showtime's and tr's arrangements regarding this fight...

All started based on PAC misleading betting guys like me. I bet Floyd, but if I bet PAC, I would join the lawsuit. I would feel cheated. I would be pissed that the info wasn't revealed.

[tangalog2200]

Yes. It is a contract dispute. But the lawsuits are coming as a result of PAC's lies. His lies triggered lawsuits against HBO, TR and show time.

But I agree with you.

But, PAC's inconsistent statements started the who thing.
Should have taken the loss like he did when he lost to Bradley.

How do you feel about fans suing PAC?

one poster here already pointed out the weaknesses of the case...

fighters or players of other sports do say things....mostly with a view of promoting the fight/game.....it is just pure marketing....and who can contradict that?

don't get me wrong, this is just to point out an incident that happened; the one that floyd was taken to task for the savage sparring sessions and drugs? whatever, in his gym.....and the bottom line is that nothing really came out of it because the incident was qualified as "staged" for blah blah blah reasons....

[tangalog2200]

All started based on PAC misleading betting guys like me. I bet Floyd, but if I bet PAC, I would join the lawsuit. I would feel cheated. I would be pissed that the info wasn't revealed.

misleading? that is one big issue to tackle.....

as i also said before, any pronouncements/actions fighters say or do can be qualified as promoting/marketing the fight.....

if someone in pac's camp promised a 9th round k.o. over an opponent and it did not happen, can you sue them?

if you bet on an nba team and a star player of that team did not play for whatever reason and you lost your bet, can you sue?

[MrRolltide91]

This lawsuit is a mix of people who feel they would not have bought the fight knowing Manny was injured (because as I said, there'd be no way Manny could win under that situation) and people who lost money. But remember, many people who went to the fight did so because they intended to bet on the fight. Not because they just wanted to be entertained.

In other words, buying the ticket led to damages due to information not being provided that would have skewed the bookie numbers. Thus they want their ticket money back plus damages (which basically gets them their bet money back).

They're gaming the legal system, basically. Only because it's Vegas. This wouldn't fly in Atlantic City.




There's a form. The fighter is required to attest that they are not injured. Manny or Koncz or whoever, said "no" on that question - implying Manny was NOT injured.

First of all that's technically damning against Manny. The reason they do that is to avoid these very lawsuits and ensure that the promoters don't get nailed on the back end. So yes, there is an expectation and always has been.

Second, even if the injury was an old, re-aggravated injury, you're still required to disclose you have it and what you do to deal with it. Manny didn't ask about the shot until the night of the fight - what were they supposed to do? He said on a form he wasn't hurt and then the night of the fight asks for a pain killing (read: body numbing) shot. That's suspect, and it makes you wonder if that's how he's been able to walk through so many other fighters' punches yet got domesticated by Floyd who was barely trying.

This wouldn't have been a problem if that form was marked properly. The people would still have bought the fight (I don't care what they say, they would have). The outcome would have been the same - TBE schooling Manny - and Manny would actually have a valid excuse, that he was injured. A rematch would have been likely, another schooling, but this time no injury.

But at least you wouldn't have had this lawsuit fiasco going on and Manny's rep destroyed over lying.

Good points....