lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[Bozo_no no]

I'll say it one more time, because I know MechSlave is as slow as a German time keeper:

the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

[LemonChiff]

The Hall fight was a joke. Dariusz was equally hurt and Battle let em go at one point. People are paid off in boxing, and while there is no physical proof of such, the stoppage was bad, period. Whether he was corrupted by the Germans or not, it was ******. Dariusz could've easly been stopped on the same token Hall was later.

Furhtermore, the point deduction(s) vs Hill were a joke. Hill could have win that fight. Certainly, DM had his hands more than full. Roy destroyed Hill.

The perception, regardless of linearship, was that Roy was "the man" and Dariusz should have acquiesced (sp) a bit to fight him.

In any case, all I'm saying is the complete truth, which is that it is totally understandable that Roy did not want to fight Germany's favorite fighter in Germany.

Lennox Lewis is not a German, and that comparison is invalid. Besides, Lewis got him in the rematch. If Roy "lost" to DM in Germany it'd be a cold day in hell before he'd have been given another shot.

DARIUSZ WAS PROBABLY AT HIS PEAK AROUND 1998 WHEN THE RJ FIGHT SHOULD OF HAPPENED AFTER RJ BEAT HILL, IF IM NOT MISTAKEN DARIUSZ FOUGHT HALL MANY YEARS AFTER HIS PEAK?

AND NO DARIUSZ WASN'T GERMANYS FAVOURITE FIGHTER, THAT WAS GRACIANO 'ROCKY' ROCCHIGIANI. MOST OF THE CROWD WERE PULLING FOR ROCKY TO BEAT DARIUSZ, BUT ROCKY GOT DQ'D FOR NOTHING AND ROCKY WAS WINNING THE FIGHT. DARIUSZ WON THE REMATCH FAIRLY AND SQUARELY.

LENNOX LEWIS, DID YOU HEAR HIM ON HBO COMMENTARY THE OTHER WEEK? HE HAD AN AMERICAN ACCENT, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

[Bozo_no no]

DARIUSZ WAS PROBABLY AT HIS PEAK AROUND 1998 WHEN THE RJ FIGHT SHOULD OF HAPPENED AFTER RJ BEAT HILL, IF IM NOT MISTAKEN DARIUSZ FOUGHT HALL MANY YEARS AFTER HIS PEAK?

Michalczewski flew to the US to sit ringside for Roy's fight with Virgil Hill.

He left and never came back.

I think that speaks volumes to how interested he was in the fight.

[mECHsLAVE]

You're an ignorant twat who does nothing but ***** and moan without saying anything.

This is your frustration talking. I speak with facts. You speak with opinion and bias. It's that simple.

The onus was on Darius to make the fight because Roy was the proven and better fighter. You go on and on bitching about how it was Roy that Ducked Darius and that the onus was on him. Bull ****.

Everyone knows who the best Light Heavyweight was when Roy was on top. He was rated at #1 by every credible organization.

No, we don't KNOW. We have to guess. Because they never fought. They only thing everyone KNEW was that Dariusz was the man at 175 when Roy began at LHW. How is the onus on the universally recognized, linear, unified champion and not on the newly moved up contender? Cmon...

Darius had every reason to come the US to make that fight, and choose to waste his career in his own backyard struggling with Roy's leftovers.

When all is said and done, Roy was the better fighter at Light Heavyweight, had the better career, and was universally acknowledged as the better fighter.

Roy chose to fight in his own backyard, winning paper titles wrongfully taken from Dariusz. Was Roy the better fighter? I've already said I would've favored him against Dariusz. But that's why they fight the fights, so we don't have to guess.

All you need to do is look at Jones' fights agaisnt Richard Hall and Julio Gonzalez who he toyed with, and the outright struggle they both turned around and gave to Darius.

Daruisz lost a close split decision to Julio at age 35. Right when Roy got KTFO twice. Yes, we went over this. Dariusz took punishment in two wins over Hall. That was his style. Dariusz eyes were swollen in nearly every one of his fights. He's one of those fighters who uses his strength and agression to come through punches to land them. He usually ate jabs alot, but ended up taking jabs to land his power shots. Another reason many were intrigued to see how Roy would deal with him.

There's a reason Michalczewski never returned to the US after seeing what Roy did to Hill.

Ok let's remember this sentence, because just below this you contradict yourself.

Regardless of how much you ***** and moan about all these people that supposedly begged Roy to go to Germany (something you can't even begin to ground with any kind of facts) the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

Roy himself mentioned Dariusz in two of his post-fight interviews in the ring, saying that if enough money came together then he might have to fight him. So, what you're saying is that nobody was asking him, so he decided to mention him in his post-fight interviews? LOL Bozo, awww man. You poor guy. You make it too easy, son. Think before you type every once in awhile. Roy was asked so many times that he literally would get angry, as he did when Costas brought it up one time. Merchant, Lampley, they've all asked him to fight Dariusz on the air! Ring magazine, all the online sites, they all wrote articles about who the real champ at 175 was at the time. Ring was the one who I believe came to a consensus to follow two lineages of the LHW title, something that was unprecedented since undefeated titlists just don't fight parallel to each other and go undefeated without finally facing each other. They are both to blame, moreso Roy because he was moving into a division that ALREADY HAD a recognized, unified champion. Tha would make Roy the challenger.

Why would Dariusz fly to the US if he was not interested in fighting Roy? How many times did Roy fly to Germany to be ringside at one of Dariusz' fights? How many major titles did Roy win at LHW that were paper, stripped outside the ring from the last unified champ?

Answer those questions, please. They're very simple and direct. I know you have a real problem when I pose questions to you, and never answer them. I know I waste my time asking, but just give it a try if you please.

[Super_Lightweight]

The Hall fight was only in 2001. Dariusz retired in 2005. Dariusz was very popular in Germany obviously and certainly their best fighter, even if the crowd was more pro-Rock that night, although I don't know that.

[LemonChiff]

Dariusz Was About 34 When He Fought Hall, He Was Far Past His Peak. Roid Jones Started His Career At Super Welterweight, So He Was So Much Faster Than The Light Heavies And Was Able To Carry That Through For Years.

[Bozo_no no]

This is your frustration talking. I speak with facts. You speak with opinion and bias. It's that simple.



No, we don't KNOW. We have to guess. Because they never fought. They only thing everyone KNEW was that Dariusz was the man at 175 when Roy began at LHW. How is the onus on the universally recognized, linear, unified champion and not on the newly moved up contender? Cmon...



Roy chose to fight in his own backyard, winning paper titles wrongfully taken from Dariusz. Was Roy the better fighter? I've already said I would've favored him against Dariusz. But that's why they fight the fights, so we don't have to guess.



Daruisz lost a close split decision to Julio at age 35. Right when Roy got KTFO twice. Yes, we went over this. Dariusz took punishment in two wins over Hall. That was his style. Dariusz eyes were swollen in nearly every one of his fights. He's one of those fighters who uses his strength and agression to come through punches to land them. He usually ate jabs alot, but ended up taking jabs to land his power shots. Another reason many were intrigued to see how Roy would deal with him.


Ok let's remember this sentence, because just below this you contradict yourself.



Roy himself mentioned Dariusz in two of his post-fight interviews in the ring, saying that if enough money came together then he might have to fight him. So, what you're saying is that nobody was asking him, so he decided to mention him in his post-fight interviews? LOL Bozo, awww man. You poor guy. You make it too easy, son. Think before you type every once in awhile. Roy was asked so many times that he literally would get angry, as he did when Costas brought it up one time. Merchant, Lampley, they've all asked him to fight Dariusz on the air! Ring magazine, all the online sites, they all wrote articles about who the real champ at 175 was at the time. Ring was the one who I believe came to a consensus to follow two lineages of the LHW title, something that was unprecedented since undefeated titlists just don't fight parallel to each other and go undefeated without finally facing each other. They are both to blame, moreso Roy because he was moving into a division that ALREADY HAD a recognized, unified champion. Tha would make Roy the challenger.

Why would Dariusz fly to the US if he was not interested in fighting Roy? How many times did Roy fly to Germany to be ringside at one of Dariusz' fights? How many major titles did Roy win at LHW that were paper, stripped outside the ring from the last unified champ?

Answer those questions, please. They're very simple and direct. I know you have a real problem when I pose questions to you, and never answer them. I know I waste my time asking, but just give it a try if you please.

And there you have it.

The frustration at being made to look foolish, and the essay comes out.

Why would Dariusz fly to the US if he was not interested in fighting Roy?

Because he saw up close what happened to Hill. Simple answer.

How many times did Roy fly to Germany to be ringside at one of Dariusz' fights?

How many did he need to see? lol

How many major titles did Roy win at LHW that were paper, stripped outside the ring from the last unified champ?

The champ makes the titles, and anyone who insinuates "we simply don't know" who the better LightHeavyweight was during that time" is an ignorant spitefull ass.

That would be you.


I'll say it one more time, because it's simply all that needs to be said:

Originally Posted by Bozo_no no
the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

Everytime you feel threatend and frustrated you write an essay.

One fighter needed the fight, the other didn't. One was recognized as the best fighter in the world, the other struggling with his leftovers.

All Darius needed to do was come to the US where the money, spothlight and acclaim was, and he would have had his turn to lose 120-105 to Jones too. He had zero interest because he knew what would have happened, and he wasted his career struggling with lesser fighters in his own backyard.

Face it, you're making a fool of yourself yet again.

It's unreal how big of a giant ***** you are.

[THE REAL NINJA]

DAMN!!!time to agree to disagree on this one ! no one is going to convince anyone that their side of the story is true

[Super_Lightweight]

Dariusz Was About 34 When He Fought Hall

33 actually, and coming off 11 straight stoppage wins.

[mECHsLAVE]

Because he saw up close what happened to Hill. Simple answer.

He flew over here because he saw what happened to Hill after he flew over here? Dude, did you take English before? I'm asking, why would Dariusz get on a plane and fly to the US from Germany if he didn't want to fight Roy? Read it again if you have to.

How many did he need to see? lol

What? Dude, are you high or hooked on phonics? That doesn't even make sense. Roy never flew to Germany to be ringside at one of Dariusz fights, but Dariusz came here. But FROM THAT you say that Roy showed more interest in fighting Dariusz? That Dariusz never showed any interest? I don't even know if YOU know what you are saying at this point. You're so hell-bent on trying to argue with me you aren't even reading what you type. You're making about as much sense as a ****** with a cleft pallate.

The champ makes the titles, and anyone who insinuates "we simply don't know" who the better LightHeavyweight was during that time" is an ignorant spitefull ass.

That would be you.

The LHW division had a unification. Maske and Hill and Michalczewski were the reigning titlists. All with multiple defenses and all but Hill undefeated- he had 1 loss. Hill beat Maske to unify the WBA and IBF. Dariusz beat Hill to unify the three major LHW titles at the time. That is the beginning of a lineage. Dariusz was the recognized, unified champ at 175, period. Roy had an amazing showing, yes. But why not fight the man? The linear champ? He was begged to. He deserves some criticism for it. All these other guys went to Germany- Griffin, Hall, etc. What was Roy so scared of?

One fighter needed the fight, the other didn't. One was recognized as the best fighter in the world, the other struggling with his leftovers.

One fighter was the unified, linear, reigning LHW champ. One was moving into his division and never fought him. They both remained unbeaten until age 35 when they both lost to fighters they would've easily beaten a few years before.

Notice you ignore most of my post that you have no response to. Awww.... hehe. Good try, kid.