lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[Bozo_no no]

He flew over here because he saw what happened to Hill after he flew over here? Dude, did you take English before? I'm asking, why would Dariusz get on a plane and fly to the US from Germany if he didn't want to fight Roy? Read it again if you have to.



What? Dude, are you high or hooked on phonics? That doesn't even make sense. Roy never flew to Germany to be ringside at one of Dariusz fights, but Dariusz came here. But FROM THAT you say that Roy showed more interest in fighting Dariusz? That Dariusz never showed any interest? I don't even know if YOU know what you are saying at this point. You're so hell-bent on trying to argue with me you aren't even reading what you type. You're making about as much sense as a ****** with a cleft pallate.





The LHW division had a unification. Maske and Hill and Michalczewski were the reigning titlists. All with multiple defenses and all but Hill undefeated- he had 1 loss. Hill beat Maske to unify the WBA and IBF. Dariusz beat Hill to unify the three major LHW titles at the time. That is the beginning of a lineage. Dariusz was the recognized, unified champ at 175, period. Roy had an amazing showing, yes. But why not fight the man? The linear champ? He was begged to. He deserves some criticism for it. All these other guys went to Germany- Griffin, Hall, etc. What was Roy so scared of?




One fighter was the unified, linear, reigning LHW champ. One was moving into his division and never fought him. They both remained unbeaten until age 35 when they both lost to fighters they would've easily beaten a few years before.

Notice you ignore most of my post that you have no response to. Awww.... hehe. Good try, kid.

You're a complete joke, and if I replied to every piece of non sense you spewed, my word count would match your level of frustrated desperation. This is very simple, and not so difficult to understand. Your desperation see's you spew all kind of meaningless non sense.

Try to follow along:

Darius came over to see Jones fight Hill, and never came back. If that meant he was at one point considering coming to the US to fight Roy, that fight clearly changed his mind.

And as I said, Jones didn't need to see any of his fights live, because he had no intention of going to Germany.

The fact Darius held the liniar title turned out to mean a whole lot to his career and legacy didn't it now? Maybe he and Carlos Baldomir can have a "Hey we were liniar Champions" booth outside the Hall of Fame.

It couldn't be anymore clear who the better light Heavyweight was, and every credible person and organization rated Roy as the better Light Heavyweight.

Here's a question for you *****: In 99/00, who was the best Light Heavyweight in the world? Go ahead, answer and make a ***** of yourself.

Here it is for you for a 4th time:

Originally Posted by Bozo_no no

the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

It couldn't be anymore black and white.

[Easy-E]

Did you read this thread? This was all covered before several times. Of the four major world titles, Dariusz held 3 of them, unifying his WBO with the WBA and IBF, which were previously unified by Hill when he beat undefeated, reigning champion Maske.

All of Roy's major titles were paper. The only one not stripped from Dariusz was the WBC. The odd belt which was not involved in the unification process with the reigning champions at 175. You somehow missed those 50 posts? Hehe. And please, what is with listing the NBA, IBA, IBO< etc etc etc.

Roy still had to beat quality competition to get those belts. And honestly, Dariusz probably would have been stripped becuase he wouldnt have fought roy if he were the number 1 contender.

[Easy-E]

You're a complete joke, and if I replied to every piece of non sense you spewed, my word count would match your level of frustrated desperation. This is very simple, and not so difficult to understand. Your desperation see's you spew all kind of meaningless non sense.

Try to follow along:

Darius came over to see Jones fight Hill, and never came back. If that meant he was at one point considering coming to the US to fight Roy, that fight clearly changed his mind.

And as I said, Jones didn't need to see any of his fights live, because he had no intention of going to Germany.

The fact Darius held the liniar title turned out to mean a whole lot to his career and legacy didn't it now? Maybe he and Carlos Baldomir can have a "Hey we were liniar Champions" booth outside the Hall of Fame.

It couldn't be anymore clear who the better light Heavyweight was, and every credible person and organization rated Roy as the better Light Heavyweight.

Here's a question for you *****: In 99/00, who was the best Light Heavyweight in the world? Go ahead, answer and make a ***** of yourself.

Here it is for you for a 4th time:


It couldn't be anymore black and white.

Nice, Bozo, nice.
I agree with pretty much everything youve said on this thread.

[mECHsLAVE]

Who was the best? I already said I would have favored Roy if he fought Dariusz, no matter if it was 97 or 03. But I think that was easily his toughest test, and given the fact that Dariusz was the reigning champion, I felt (and still feel) that Roy SHOULD have fought Dariusz, even if that meant going to Germany with a ref of his choice, and US/Latin judges, etc....all of which he would have had.

This thread was never about debating who was the best, that's what happens when you stop playing X-box and wander into the living room when the adults are talking. You missed all that. I said that Roy had better performances (but not by THAT much) against the same fighters, and that I would have favored Roy in their matchup, but that Roy earned criticism by facing many second-tier LHW's when there was a reigning, undefeated champion that everyone in boxing wanted him to fight but who he refused to. YES, they BOTH earned criticism, but I have to side with the champ with who the onus falls on.

[Bozo_no no]

Q)Who was the best?

A)I already said I would have favored Roy if he fought Dariusz, no matter if it was 97 or 03.

Read the question again, and note how you answered a different question. It's funny how you question my reading skills and how I don't answer your questions when you just answered the one question I asked pretending it was "Who do you think would have won if they fought".

LOL.

Get over yourself.

You've already said you thought there was fault on both sides. With that said, who was the best Light Heavyweight in the world in 99/00?

Simple question, and a relevent one.

Because like I've said now 5 times:

Originally Posted by Bozo_no no

the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

When asking about who ducked who, I think the most relevent point is who had more to gain in the fight happening?

Clearly, it was Darius leading a sheltered career who would have greatly benifited from conceding the location (fighting in the US) to make a mega fight with Jones which could have given acclaim to his career he never came close to having.

It doesn't get more simple: Darius needed the fight with Roy, not the other way around.

Darius sat fighting Roy's leftovers in Germany because he had no true interest in the fight. He ended his career being considered a sheltered fighter in the shadow of one of the best fighters of his generation.

You're done here. Enough spinning and bitching. Move along and let it go.

[Bozo_no no]

I said that Roy had better performances (but not by THAT much) against the same fighters

WOW.

I suggest you watch Jones' fights with Hill, Hall, and Gonzalez, and then watch Darius in with them.

Jones just about literally cut Hill in half, tortured Richard Hall like a cat does a mouse, and beat Gonzalez 120-105 in a battering that left Julio literally in tears as he tried (in bewilderment) to explain what happned in the post fight interview.



You have absolutely no credibility here.

Please, for your own sake, stop. This is embarassing.

[mECHsLAVE]

LOL Bozo, you just keep repeating what I've already written. MY god, son, try and keep up. We've beaten the Gonzalez thing to DEATH, yet you bring it up as though we've never mentioned it. LOL I mean, is something wrong with your mind. YES, a 35 year old Dariusz dropped a SD to Gonzalez, right as Roy got KTFO out at age 35 by Tarver and Johnson. All that proves is that both guys started to fall apart about the same time.

Dariusz KO'd Harmon. Roy KO'd Harmon.

Dariusz TKO'd Griffin in 4. Roy lost a DQ which he was losing on the cards, and then came back to KO Griffin in 1.

Dariusz stopped Hall twice. Roy stopped Hall, more impressively, yes. Like I said ALREADY.

Dariusz decisively beat Hill by decision, and Roy (as you like to say) had fun with his left-overs and stopped Hill with a nice body shot.

I'm not sure of the point of this. If anything it shows that Dariusz was not "hiding away" in Germany fighting nobodies. He fought the best American LHW's, and won for like 12 years until he started to slow down at age 35, just like Roy.

[mECHsLAVE]

PS- The Jones-Hall fight was supposed to be a NC, as ruled by the Indiana State Commission, because Roy tested positive for steroids for the fight. But money and attorney's got involved and the whole thing was buried. Just an interesting point of fact.

Notice my posts are full of interesting facts, and yours are full of biased opinions, Bozo?

[JuicyJuice]

Michalczewski was nowhere near the class of Benn, Eubank or Calzaghe. But I suppose Jones Jr should of went over to Germany and fought the Pole just to shut some of his haters up that he wasn't totally a coward.

[Bozo_no no]

LOL Bozo, you just keep repeating what I've already written. MY god, son, try and keep up. We've beaten the Gonzalez thing to DEATH, yet you bring it up as though we've never mentioned it. LOL I mean, is something wrong with your mind. YES, a 35 year old Dariusz dropped a SD to Gonzalez, right as Roy got KTFO out at age 35 by Tarver and Johnson. All that proves is that both guys started to fall apart about the same time.

Dariusz KO'd Harmon. Roy KO'd Harmon.

Dariusz TKO'd Griffin in 4. Roy lost a DQ which he was losing on the cards, and then came back to KO Griffin in 1.

Dariusz stopped Hall twice. Roy stopped Hall, more impressively, yes. Like I said ALREADY.

Dariusz decisively beat Hill by decision, and Roy (as you like to say) had fun with his left-overs and stopped Hill with a nice body shot.

I'm not sure of the point of this. If anything it shows that Dariusz was not "hiding away" in Germany fighting nobodies. He fought the best American LHW's, and won for like 12 years until he started to slow down at age 35, just like Roy.

What I do notice is you ignoring the post where you made a complete ***** of yourself and zeroing in on the one about the shared opponents.

That's typical though. Ignore the post that shreds your argument to pieces, makes a ***** of you for avoiding a simple question, and focus in on a tiny aside of a point.

And in doing so, once again further embearass yourself.

You're a complete joke, and everyone can see right through your petty bull ****.