lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[Easy-E]

This thread is quite depressing, but I thought I'd summarise it for my own peace of mind.

Discussion on Roy Jones jnr - Some think he was a complete drug riddled fraud, others think he was the top LHW ever, reality was that he was almost certainly the best SMW-LHW of the modern era, but was more interested in making money than being the best, so neglected his sporting duty to beat the champ at 175. Very naughty of RJJ.

Discussion on Eubank's status as a world-wide name - Not sure Eubank was ever on the cover of Woman's Own, but he was one hell of an oddball whose rivalry with Benn is unmatched as far as I can see.

NOTE - I don't really get into all this partisan nationalist BS, but quite a few US posters have been really myopic about this, constantly referring to Eubank's status in the US. Depressing attitude, US is the biggest economy with the largest cultural impact currently, but there are 5.7bn other little people on this planet, who can give people their own status.

Anyone from the US ever heard of Sachin Tendulkar? I promise you he's a bigger name in sport than DLH hands down.

Laters

Not even close.

[Dude]

This is part of HBO's profile of RJJ.

His only loss during the '90's came stunningly and surprisingly. Jones was victimized by a controversial late hit in a WBC light heavyweight defense against Montell Griffin on March 21, 1997 in Atlantic City. Leading on all three scorecards and already having floored Griffin twice, Jones was anxious to finish him and had him in trouble near the end of the ninth round. Two glancing shots to an exhausted, kneeling Griffin as the bell sounded disqualified Jones.

It is important to note that Roy was ahead on the cards, had dropped montell twice, and the ref never interviened on montell's behalf, insinuating that griffin was officially down. Roy then tko'd him in round 1 of the next fight.
That is one weak ass argument.

haha, that's great. uhm, just a reminder pal, where did roy jones work as a commentator? on which channel was he one of the major drawing horses? who could be interessted in portraying Roy very favourable? ...HBO, maybe?

What actually DOES surprise me is that HBO is obviously lying. That's right, they are lying! Montell Griffin was ahead on two of the three scorecards. I just checked boxrec to confirm my memory.

Scores at time of the stoppage were Judge: Barbara Perez 76-75 | Judge: Chuck Hassett 75-77 | Judge: Terry Smith 75-76 in favour of Griffin.

Makes you wonder, huh?

[Dude]

you really do not think that Ali vs Frazier had a bigger impact then Eubank vs Benn ?

Of course it was. It doesn't get very much bigger than Ali vs. Frazier.

Schmeling vs. Louis I and especially II were maybe the biggest fights ever ...but for the wrong reasons.

Johnson vs. Jeffries was big as well (obviously for the wrong reasons as well) but back than boxing was not really a worldwide phenomn.

[Easy-E]

haha, that's great. uhm, just a reminder pal, where did roy jones work as a commentator? on which channel was he one of the major drawing horses? who could be interessted in portraying Roy very favourable? ...HBO, maybe?

What actually DOES surprise me is that HBO is obviously lying. That's right, they are lying! Montell Griffin was ahead on two of the three scorecards. I just checked boxrec to confirm my memory.

Scores at time of the stoppage were Judge: Barbara Perez 76-75 | Judge: Chuck Hassett 75-77 | Judge: Terry Smith 75-76 in favour of Griffin.

Makes you wonder, huh?

I saw that on boxrec as well, but i know how innacurate they are, so i dismissed it. True that HBO would favor roy, but at the same time, using the Montell Griffen fight as a counter argument for why Dariusz was better then roy is extremly weak.

[Easy-E]

Of course it was. It doesn't get very much bigger than Ali vs. Frazier.

Schmeling vs. Louis I and especially II were maybe the biggest fights ever ...but for the wrong reasons.

Johnson vs. Jeffries was big as well (obviously for the wrong reasons as well) but back than boxing was not really a worldwide phenomn.

Ali-Foreman was massive as well.

[THE REAL NINJA]

Of course it was. It doesn't get very much bigger than Ali vs. Frazier.

Schmeling vs. Louis I and especially II were maybe the biggest fights ever ...but for the wrong reasons.

Johnson vs. Jeffries was big as well (obviously for the wrong reasons as well) but back than boxing was not really a worldwide phenomn.

So then the world watched and had more interest in Ali vs Frazier then Eubank vs Benn...that was my point not that Eubank was not a great fighter but that there were bigger rivalries then Banks vs Benn, thats all

[mECHsLAVE]

I saw that on boxrec as well, but i know how innacurate they are, so i dismissed it. True that HBO would favor roy, but at the same time, using the Montell Griffen fight as a counter argument for why Dariusz was better then roy is extremly weak.

I don't see anyone saying Dariusz was clearly better than Roy.

Griffin was outboxing Dariusz at the time Dariusz stopped him, too. Griffin was a tough guy to fight. Let's not forget he outboxed and frustrated Toney in two close fights.

What everyone who knows boxing and followed it during that time should be able to agree on is that Roy should have fought Dariusz. Period. No if, ands, or buts. No excuses. Eubank, Benn, Collins, etc.. you can make an argument why any of those didn't need to take place. There is no argument for Roy not fighting Dariusz. End of discussion.

[Super_Lightweight]

There is no argument for Roy not fighting Dariusz. End of discussion.

Uh, no. It's not even remotely close to being that black and white. Roy did not want to fight in Germany, and rightfully so after his experiences and the history of boxing in Germany.

[Moschino045]

benn/eubank was probably thegreatest rivalry ever in boxin, i wos only a little kid at the time but i could tell wot a special rivalry they had, never in boxin has there been a rivalry between two guys who were as different as benn & eubank were or who had the same celeb status as they had, etc

as for this darius m guy, well if he was'nt willin 2 leave his germany & come 2 the uk to fight eubank or us to fight rjj then realy who cares ? eubank said he would never go back 2 germany becos of the racial chantin he had 2 put up with last time & rjj said he would never go 2 germany becos he risked gettin robbed like he did at the olympics

[Moschino045]

copied & pasted from another board-

You have to remember, Eubank, or Eubanks as his name was then, came to the U.K. as an unknown "pugilist" in January 1988 and told all the local Hove newspapers that he was the best boxer in the country having learned to fight in New York, and having won gym wars every night against top New Yorkers for years. He also claimed Nigel Benn was a fraud in the press, and really laid into him. This was a man who quoted shakespear with a lisp, dressed impeccably, acted as though he was from the silver spoon society and won five fights in the U.K. with absolute ease, all while calling out pretty boy Gary Stretch and, following Benn's showing against Logan, started calling out Benn too. Benn verbally abused Eubank at boxing functions and tried to start fights with him at every given opportunity until it all came to a head at the NEC some time later. Their bitter, famous rivalry continued all throughout the 1990's until they finally, amazingly became friendly with eachother backstage at the 1999 Brit Awards.