The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[Sweet Jones]

Boxing is dead in America... Everyone a regional star..

Biggest fight after floyd-manny was cotto-canelo.. Couldn't even break a million buys,,, That's a terrible sign for boxing...

Just name in year in boxing history and you will have at least a handful of stars.. Today you have canelo, who can't even break a million buys in his biggest fight..

Name any year in boxing and it will have a handful of stars.. Except now

And yet you're upset that PBC hasn't yet overcome all of this within a year of existing?

[BlakBread904]

To many wanna-be Money Mayweathers and not enough Pretty Boy Floyd's.

preach. these cats wanna fast fwd to the finished product, neglecting to learn how Floyd put himself in that position

[al-Xander]

Current boxing is dead. Why, because everyone wants to build stars out of scraps for long periods of time. Fans are pissed that winners rarely fight winners. People in the business led by Haymon are hell-bent on just making exhibition fights thinking that it's the star they want to see, not the competitive fight.

Look at how Sho/PBC do it when they announce their top fighters' next fight: "Garcia scheduled in June vs TBA or TBD (to be announced, to be decided)," "Lara is coming back vs TBA/TBD in September," "Santa Cruz vs TBA in May," etc.

It's nauseating. The intention of pitting top fighter against another top fighter is simply not there.

[The Big Dunn]

Current boxing is dead. Why, because everyone wants to build stars out of scraps for long periods of time. Fans are pissed that winners rarely fight winners. People in the business led by Haymon are hell-bent on just making exhibition fights thinking that it's the star they want to see.

Look at how Sho/PBC do it when they announce their top fighters' next fight: "Garcia scheduled in June vs TBA or TBD (to be announced, to be decided). Lara vs TBA/TBD in September. Santa Cruz vs TBA in May, etc.

It's nauseating. The intention of pitting top fighter against another top fighter is simply not there.

Doesn't HBO do the same thing? for example, Canelo had the May PPV date reserved well in advance of Kikrland getting the fight. Same as the September date. Kov has a fight scheduled for Russia and no opponent. GGG had a date before his opponent was finalized. ARum just said he wanted Crawford back in June, no opponent named.

WHy are you only upset when one entity does it?

[-PBP-]

Boxing is dead in America... Everyone a regional star..

Biggest fight after floyd-manny was cotto-canelo.. Couldn't even break a million buys,,, That's a terrible sign for boxing...

Just name in year in boxing history and you will have at least a handful of stars.. Today you have canelo, who can't even break a million buys in his biggest fight..

Name any year in boxing and it will have a handful of stars.. Except now

Only 4 fighters in history have the ability to break 1 million buys. You bring up Canelo/Cotto but fail to mention it was the 12th largest boxing gate in the history of Nevada and topped the gate for Aldo/McGregor. These are factually verified numbers not PPV buys which are suspect.

http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/

http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_MMA_Gates/

Floyd/Berto did the same gate as Aldo/McGregor.

In 2015, two of the top 15 largest Nevada boxing gates in history took place.

We're coming off the most lucrative year in the history of boxing. Of course there is going to be a setback and a bit of rebuilding that needs to take place.

As far as the "no stars in boxing", I'm happy that's the case because none of these dudes deserve to be stars. We don't need stars right now we need fights to take place so we the fans can elect the next star in the sport. Right now that's not happening. The promoters and networks are trying to convince us that they have the next guy but don't want to prove it to us.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Maybe that's the problem-boxing en****** are too invested in creating stars but not making great fights.

Maybe boxing needs to create "stars" a different way then they are now. Instead of making everyone a KO monster-why not make great fights and the guy who is left standing at the end-make him the star.

You're exactly right... Boxing just needs non stop competitve matchups just like mma..

The cream will always rise to the top,, in mma you had silva, gsp, jones.. In boxing I got no doubt that hopkins, floyd. Manny would all be the best, regardless of the matchmaking..
Boxong shines when they put manny vs marqiez 1, cotto-margarito 1, etc..

Fans aren't ****** and they realize guys loke Berto, wilder, etc haven't fought anybody to earn their spot...
Boxing just needs better match making year round... Canelo-khan is a ****ing joke,, mma would be giving us Canelo-ggg right now.... And winner would get Jacobs,,m winner of that would get winner of quillen-lee 2, etc... Make guys go up n down the rankings ladder.. Everytime a contender is vanquished another emerges...

[Sugar Adam Ali]

And yet you're upset that PBC hasn't yet overcome all of this within a year of existing?

I'm not upset with PBC for not conquering the world in a year..
Lim upset with Pbc because they have had a golden opportunity to fix boxing, but they are just like the status quo (sanctioning bodies, catchweights, mismatches, inactivity) and are no different then arum, King, hbo etc except they pay money to be on network TV...

Pbc had a chance to be starkly different but they are basically the same.. A bunch of mismatch showcase fights with a handful of competitive fights thrown in...

Pbc has the chance at worst to be the bellator or ecw of boxing, and at best be the wwe or ufc of boxing...

I'm a huge supporter of Pbc, and like the concept of it, but have hated the execution so far... Not a hater, not saying they suck and are a flop n failure. but they have not impressed me so far with the execution

[El-blanco]

You're exactly right... Boxing just needs non stop competitve matchups just like mma..

The cream will always rise to the top,, in mma you had silva, gsp, jones.. In boxing I got no doubt that hopkins, floyd. Manny would all be the best, regardless of the matchmaking..
Boxong shines when they put manny vs marqiez 1, cotto-margarito 1, etc..

Fans aren't ****** and they realize guys loke Berto, wilder, etc haven't fought anybody to earn their spot...
Boxing just needs better match making year round... Canelo-khan is a ****ing joke,, mma would be giving us Canelo-ggg right now.... And winner would get Jacobs,,m winner of that would get winner of quillen-lee 2, etc... Make guys go up n down the rankings ladder.. Everytime a contender is vanquished another emerges...

That's exactly it. A couple of groupie cry babies on here have suggested I leave this site because I said boxing in its current state deserves to die but I mean really who cares to see this charade continue? Boxing has ten times the amount of talent than ufc and can't even give us 1/10th of the amount of competitive fights.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Only 4 fighters in history have the ability to break 1 million buys. You bring up Canelo/Cotto but fail to mention it was the 12th largest boxing gate in the history of Nevada and topped the gate for Aldo/McGregor. These are factually verified numbers not PPV buys which are suspect.

http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/

http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_MMA_Gates/

Floyd/Berto did the same gate as Aldo/McGregor.

In 2015, two of the top 15 largest Nevada boxing gates in history took place.

We're coming off the most lucrative year in the history of boxing. Of course there is going to be a setback and a bit of rebuilding that needs to take place.

As far as the "no stars in boxing", I'm happy that's the case because none of these dudes deserve to be stars. We don't need stars right now we need fights to take place so we the fans can elect the next star in the sport. Right now that's not happening. The promoters and networks are trying to convince us that they have the next guy but don't want to prove it to us.

1. More than four fighters have broken a million- tyson, evander, Oscar, floyd, manny, leonard (closed circuit), ali would have most certainly.... Cotto has gone over a million twice with floyd n manny,, but vs today's currnet boggest star canelo could only draw 800k.. It's a bad sign for boxing when your aging retired stars like manny-floyd does 4.4 million buys, and the next biggest fight in boxing canelo-cotto can only mustard 800k... Golovkin-canelo will not be bigger than canelo-cotto, so in the year 2016- the top PPv will do a fraction of the top ppv's in years past..

2floyd always draws a big gate,,,, he is the ultimate A-side,,m but Conor-Aldo doubled up them on PPv buys, and that's where the really money is..

3. Most lucrative year in boxing because of one fight, a fight that left a sour taste in every casual fan's mouth and hurt future PPVs immensely,,

4. I kinda agree with you about having 'stars'. The reason we have no true stars is becaise nobody is fighting like a star.. Ali fought everyone, tyson four everyone, Evander fought everyone,, leonard fought benitez duran twice, and hearns within 2 years.. Oscar fought pernell, tito, shane, quartey in18 months..
Manny fought barrera twice, morales 3 times, and marquez twice in a four year period.. That's what makes stars,,, not showcase mismatches

[brettWall]

Current boxing is dead. Why, because everyone wants to build stars out of scraps for long periods of time. Fans are pissed that winners rarely fight winners. People in the business led by Haymon are hell-bent on just making exhibition fights thinking that it's the star they want to see, not the competitive fight.

Look at how Sho/PBC do it when they announce their top fighters' next fight: "Garcia scheduled in June vs TBA or TBD (to be announced, to be decided)," "Lara is coming back vs TBA/TBD in September," "Santa Cruz vs TBA in May," etc.

It's nauseating. The intention of pitting top fighter against another top fighter is simply not there.

Not many people have gotten it, which they should have by now. Haymon's idea of PBC is to showcase stars, not fights. That's the reason why it's Garcia vs TBA, as your example showed, not Garcia vs Broner or something. Or Lara vs TBA, instead of Lara vs Charlo.

These are his fighters whom he's in full control of, yet he prefers to pit them against nobodies.