The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

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Never in the history of boxing has it had a single major draw in his prime.. And he isn't even in the same ballpark as other guys in his spot in the past...

And when has Boxing ever needed to "rebuild"

Ali-fab four-tyson-evander,bowe,chavez-shane, roy, Oscar, tito,- morales, barrera, prince, lennox- floyd, cotto, manny...

boxing use to be filled with stars,,, but now it's dwindled down to nothing,, just a bunch of regional stars but no one near the levels of floyd, tyson, Oscar, ali, leonard, robinson, louis etc...

Yeah but never in the history of boxing have you had an event bigger than the super bowl generating a half a billion dollars. And I don't know about "filled with stars". You listed guys from different eras and boxing wasn't as big globally as it is now.

Your heavyweight champion is international, your Middleweight champion is international your superstar is from Mexico, your p4p fighter is from Nicaragua... When has the sport been this globalized?

It's just a different landscape.

People seem frustrated after a big UFC event but come on. McGregor getting credit but Khan's being criticized for doing the same damn thing against a higher quality opponent? It's a double standard.

If boxing's cash cow fought the equivalent of a Nate Diaz on PPV you would be screaming murder.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

To many wanna-be Money Mayweathers and not enough Pretty Boy Floyd's.

the real problem is that PBC/Haymon are enablers.


See everywhere else a fighter has to earn his top spot etc and the pay that comes with it, problem with pbc/haymon is that he has all this investment at his fingertips that he can afford to overpay his fighters and infact its an incentive for him to do so cause he getting 20% of what hes paying the fighters cause of his adviser fee. so the more he pays them the more he gets paid.

I read the money might be running out and thats why all kinds of shows been cancelled and moved to showtime etc etc, so maybe these fighters on the pbc rodster will be brought back to reality and we can get a semblance of the sport we used to know and still love.

[SplitSecond]

You'd think Al Gaymon would've started PBC with a **** considering the fighters he has. He should of teamed up with showtime early to start some tournaments like the supersix, which was the peak of Showtime basically, and in the end of it all, trimmed the crop and left us with top fighters.

Apparently there's a welterweight tournament going on right now. Or that's what I occasionally read on here.

You sometimes have to wonder if Gaymon knows what he's doing considering he invested so much in Andre Berto. I do remember everyone asking why the guy wasn't fighting anyone and gettng paid so much lol. Some things never change.

[Sweet Jones]

Yeah but never in the history of boxing have you had an event bigger than the super bowl generating a half a billion dollars. And I don't know about "filled with stars". You listed guys from different eras and boxing wasn't as big globally as it is now.

Your heavyweight champion is international, your Middleweight champion is international your superstar is from Mexico, your p4p fighter is from Nicaragua... When has the sport been this globalized?

It's just a different landscape.

People seem frustrated after a big UFC event but come on. McGregor getting credit but Khan's being criticized for doing the same damn thing against a higher quality opponent? It's a double standard.

If boxing's cash cow fought the equivalent of a Nate Diaz on PPV you would be screaming murder.

Exactly. A late replacement Nate Diaz at that.

[ea22]

Yeah but never in the history of boxing have you had an event bigger than the super bowl generating a half a billion dollars. And I don't know about "filled with stars". You listed guys from different eras and boxing wasn't as big globally as it is now.

Your heavyweight champion is international, your Middleweight champion is international your superstar is from Mexico, your p4p fighter is from Nicaragua... When has the sport been this globalized?

It's just a different landscape.

People seem frustrated after a big UFC event but come on. McGregor getting credit but Khan's being criticized for doing the same damn thing against a higher quality opponent? It's a double standard.

If boxing's cash cow fought the equivalent of a Nate Diaz on PPV you would be screaming murder.

So a Berto and an Algieri? Even then Diaz has been a perennial contender and McGregor was moving up.

[Sweet Jones]

Boxing has been a main sport since the 1900s, with the oldest current governing body having a history that goes back 60 years, yet you expected PBC to simply create their own history out of thin air? lol

Exactly.

I mean if this is what people genuinely expected (and I generally find Sugar Sadam Ali to be reasonable), then PBC was doomed from conception.

IMO, people are STILL vastly underrating the amount of tact and acumen it took just to get PBC as far as it is: securing external funding/war chest outside of traditional networks, agreement of boxers to take a chance on this new methodology, alignment with select promoters, and securing multiple TV platforms, including the network TV and the most powerful sports platforms (ESPN; Fox Sports)

This is a RADICAL departure from the status quo. A 12 months in folks are still *itching about ring entrances, ring girls, and having to find channels for fights that would not have even been broadcast a year ago.

Say word, son? (Donnell Rawlings voice)

[al-Xander]

the real problem is that PBC/Haymon are enablers.

See everywhere else a fighter has to earn his top spot etc and the pay that comes with it, problem with pbc/haymon is that he has all this investment at his fingertips that he can afford to overpay his fighters and infact its an incentive for him to do so cause he getting 20% of what hes paying the fighters cause of his adviser fee. so the more he pays them the more he gets paid.

I read the money might be running out and thats why all kinds of shows been cancelled and moved to showtime etc etc, so maybe these fighters on the pbc rodster will be brought back to reality and we can get a semblance of the sport we used to know and still love.

Haymon has destroyed boxing. He pays his fighters $1 milion plus for fighting cab drivers. Of course, they would want to get paid 3x more if they're asked to fight top fighters. It's simple common sense. Why would anyone be surprised meaningful fights are so hard to make? Nobody can afford them.

Sad part is these current fighters are not even PPV materials. Because nobody outside of boxing knows them.

[about.thousands]

I doubt that the ring entrances for Hagler-Duran, or any other fights before that were "natural extensions of a boxer", lol.

You have grown accustomed to, and maybe even enjoy, HBO's presentation of boxing; it's been that way for the last 30 years so that's understandable.

Haymon, through his PBC effort, imagines boxing being presented differently; for his seeming plan, anything that draws attention away from the actual fighter was deemed not needed (giving the fighter wider birth in choosing their own music, in addition to have a fighter's second/cutman/assistant come down with him, were changes that Haymon accepted, but the general framework is the same).

No different than when HBO decided to change the way they presented fights, this PBC change will likely also have detractors.

Still, 2-3 years from now, when everyone gets use to the PBC presentation for most of the fights on TV, people will look back on the days of seeing 30-40 people in the ring and think "WTF were those guys thinking?"

[The Big Dunn]

Haymon has destroyed boxing. He pays his fighters $1 milion plus for fighting cab drivers. Of course, they would want to get paid 3x more if they're asked to fight top fighters. It's simple common sense. Why would anyone be surprised meaningful fights are so hard to make? Nobody can afford them.

Sad part is these current fighters are not even PPV materials. Because nobody outside of boxing knows them.

HBO and PBC cards are relatively equal in pay structure. The main attraction gets $1 mil or more and the opponent gets about a 10th of that unless its like Ghost/Danny type fight.

If both networks are overpaying for mismatches, why is it only a problem when PBC does it?

[Fetta]

HBO and PBC cards are relatively equal in pay structure. The main attraction gets $1 mil or more and the opponent gets about a 10th of that unless its like Ghost/Danny type fight.

If both networks are overpaying for mismatches, why is it only a problem when PBC does it?

Because they are accountants and not boxing fans. Bottom line in a business they are not connected to is what matters to them