The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[al-Xander]

What can we do? They've been ramming these garbage showcase fights down our throats for years now.

You might as well try to enjoy them by rooting for the underdog and pray for the total destruction of the guy they're building up. Once in a while I see myself jumping with joy in certain fights, however seldom they may be. Cherry picks gone bad are fun to watch.

Maidana vs Broner was fun to watch.

[Scipio2009]

Lmao..... There have been plenty of exciting fights this year and in 2015.. Checkout lawler-Rory... Fantastic fight..


When you stated you were new to mma, I was actually trying to be nice and put you on to some great fights and cards,, similar if you were new to boxing i would say checkout the manny-barrera-marquez-morales fights from a decade ago..mshowtim absolute best stuff the sport can over. I was honestly just trying to be nice and you are being a douche..

I didn't say I was new to MMA; I said that I barely even care to watch the stuff anymore. I watched the Gracie run through the original UFC, saw Dan Severin come through and dominate, fell off a bit, came back with the rise of Tito Ortiz, Ricco Rodriguez, Jens Pulver, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, etc, saw TUF, hung around through Anderson Silva, followed Brock Lesnar into the UFC, saw Lesnar get his ass kicked, saw the arrival Jon "Bones" Jones ... and then started to move on, as I get tired of the lay-and-pray wrestling tactics.

The UFC has had two fights, largely because of Dana White hitching his stars to Floyd Mayweather Jr, that broke through beyond the hardcore MMA audience; Rousey-Holm and McGregor-Diaz.

No one gave a **** about Lawler-Rory; outside of the hardcore MMA fan, I doubt that anyone could actually give you the first/last names of Lawler or Rory.

I asked you for an example of a fight that captured the casual MMA audience's attention, and you had to go back for years to maybe find something. lol

[Scipio2009]

Just last year you guys were saying PBC and Haymon are going to be the saviors of boxing. Now, they can't do anything?

Jokes. The entire lot of you clowns.

You are earnestly trying to argue that an effort to disregard 100 years of boxing history was actually a logical option? gtfoh

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I didn't say I was new to MMA; I said that I barely even care to watch the stuff anymore. I watched the Gracie run through the original UFC, saw Dan Severin come through and dominate, fell off a bit, came back with the rise of Tito Ortiz, Ricco Rodriguez, Jens Pulver, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, etc, saw TUF, hung around through Anderson Silva, followed Brock Lesnar into the UFC, saw Lesnar get his ass kicked, saw the arrival Jon "Bones" Jones ... and then started to move on, as I get tired of the lay-and-pray wrestling tactics.

The UFC has had two fights, largely because of Dana White hitching his stars to Floyd Mayweather Jr, that broke through beyond the hardcore MMA audience; Rousey-Holm and McGregor-Diaz.

No one gave a **** about Lawler-Rory; outside of the hardcore MMA fan, I doubt that anyone could actually give you the first/last names of Lawler or Rory.

I asked you for an example of a fight that captured the casual MMA audience's attention, and you had to go back for years to maybe find something. lol

The casuals were captured with:
chuck-tito-couture
Lesner
Gsp
Silva
Hughes to a certain extent
Shamrock to a certain extent

Right now casuals have been captured by Rhonda and Conor and jon jones

[Scipio2009]

The casuals were captured with:
chuck-tito-couture All basically finished by 2010
Lesner done with UFC by 2011
Gsp done by 2013
Silva basically faded at this point, but the slide really started in 2013
Hughes to a certain extent done by 2012
Shamrock to a certain extent basically done in 2002, lasting to 2006

Right now casuals have been captured by Rhonda and Conor and jon jones

Any way you cut it, there's a three year gap between casual fans giving a **** about the UFC and this recent push to anoint Rousey and McGregor. lol

[krazyn8tive]

How much longer until omowale catches on that he's a fcuking idiot? What's the over/under?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Any way you cut it, there's a three year gap between casual fans giving a **** about the UFC and this recent push to anoint Rousey and McGregor. lol

Jon jones baby,, plus silva and GSP were going strong till 2015 when Conor N rhonda took over but yeah I totally agree that 2013-14 was kinda rough.. Still some good fights but nothing that caught the attention of casuals except for jon jones

[Scipio2009]

Jon jones baby,, plus silva and GSP were going strong till 2015 when Conor N rhonda took over but yeah I totally agree that 2013-14 was kinda rough.. Still some good fights but nothing that caught the attention of casuals except for jon jones

Jon Jones is the only one from your list that has done anything since 2013; if you can inform folks of the fights that GSP or Anderson Silva have been in since 2013 (since they were "going strong till 2015"), that'd be greatly appreciated to the conversation.

Jones-Cormier (1/3/2015) was apparently able to draw 800k PPV buys (which would note a decent amount of casual fan interest), so there's that. Still what else (remember we're talking about stars here):

Wiedman-Silva II at the end of 2013(over 1m PPV buys), Mendes-McGregor July 2015(825k PPV buys), Rousey-Correia August 2015(900k PPV buys), Rousey-Holm November 2015(1.1m PPV buys), Aldo-McGregor December 2015(1.2m PPV buys), and likely McGregor-Diaz from last week.

Whether the fights have been good is irrelevant (it's not like PBC hasn't been putting on exciting fight cards); the general combat sports fan, let alone sports fans, from 2013 through 2015 didn't pay any attention to the UFC.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You are earnestly trying to argue that an effort to disregard 100 years of boxing history was actually a logical option? gtfoh

When you and the other minions were busy sucking als peepee while claiming he was going to save boxing,

how come 100 years of boxing history didn't matter then? To you morons, it was a forgone conclusion that the saving was already done.

[Scipio2009]

When you and the other minions were busy sucking als peepee while claiming he was going to save boxing,

how come 100 years of boxing history didn't matter then? To you morons, it was a forgone conclusion that the saving was already done.

Al Haymon's aim was to bring boxing back into prominence, a goal that is still in question; just because you seemed to get in your mind that "saving boxing" would mean creating boxing's entire history out of wholecloth is your own problem.

PBC on NBC (arguably the biggest PBC stage at this point) has "Sugar" Ray Leonard as the color man for ****'s sake.

The example is sitting right there, doing color commentary for PBC's biggest stage; Haymon envisions a day where the casual sports fan knows and recognizes their boxing stars, the way that Leonard was known and recognized in the 1980s.