The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[al-Xander]

Not many people have gotten it, which they supposed to have by now. Haymon's idea of PBC is to showcase stars, not fights. That's the reason why it's Garcia vs TBA, as your example showed, not Garcia vs Broner or something. Or Lara vs TBA, instead of Lara vs Charlo.

These are his fighters whom he's in full control of, yet he prefers to pit them against nobodies.

It's not even about the effort of trying. The intention is simply not there. It's non existent.

[Scipio2009]

There has been some great fights in mma,,,

I would say watch all the ppv's from 2011.. That was the best fights in one year in the history of UFC...

But every year ufc provides some great great fights.. Aldo-Edgar ws top notch, any jon jones fight,,, Cormier vs rumble was great..

I have been watching since ufc 1, and seen it evolve, and 2011 has the best run of fights ever,, every PPv lived up to the hype or surpassed it


Boxing is still my favorite, but the matchmaking is pathetic compared to mma.. All I want is boxing to have the tough schedule like mma, and boxing would really get back a lot of lost popularity

^^^ this mother****er openly chose to go back 5 years to point to an exciting time in the UFC, with Aldo-Edgar being 2 years ago, lol

have fun

[Sugar Adam Ali]

^^^ this mother****er openly chose to go back 5 years to point to an exciting time in the UFC, with Aldo-Edgar being 2 years ago, lol

have fun

Lmao..... There have been plenty of exciting fights this year and in 2015.. Checkout lawler-Rory... Fantastic fight..


When you stated you were new to mma, I was actually trying to be nice and put you on to some great fights and cards,, similar if you were new to boxing i would say checkout the manny-barrera-marquez-morales fights from a decade ago..mshowtim absolute best stuff the sport can over. I was honestly just trying to be nice and you are being a douche..

[Sweet Jones]

I'm not upset with PBC for not conquering the world in a year..
Lim upset with Pbc because they have had a golden opportunity to fix boxing, but they are just like the status quo (sanctioning bodies, catchweights, mismatches, inactivity) and are no different then arum, King, hbo etc except they pay money to be on network TV...

Pbc had a chance to be starkly different but they are basically the same.. A bunch of mismatch showcase fights with a handful of competitive fights thrown in...

Pbc has the chance at worst to be the bellator or ecw of boxing, and at best be the wwe or ufc of boxing...

I'm a huge supporter of Pbc, and like the concept of it, but have hated the execution so far... Not a hater, not saying they suck and are a flop n failure. but they have not impressed me so far with the execution

You expected this is less than a year of existence, in a sport that yourself believe is 'dying', while going against 100 years of corrupt promoters/mob money, corrupt sanctioning bodies, network money, and a mouthpiece-for-the-establishment boxing media?

Is that really a fair benchmark to judge PBC on?

[niceyboo3]

There isn't as many black fans as there use to be, and they really don't support anyone but Floyd.

So if your a black fighter you really don't sell the way other fightters of other races can.

Add to that that to the fact these guys don't want to fight tough fights and your stuck with a huge roster of fighters no one cares about.

What the he'll is the difference between a Charlo, a Jacobs, and a Badou Jack?

Not a god damn thing. So why should anyone care about them?

Lmao @ not a damn thing.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Boxing has been a main sport since the 1900s, with the oldest current governing body having a history that goes back 60 years, yet you expected PBC to simply create their own history out of thin air? lol

Just last year you guys were saying PBC and Haymon are going to be the saviors of boxing. Now, they can't do anything?

Jokes. The entire lot of you clowns.

[Vasyl’s dad]

That's not shortsighted...


Make competitve matchups everytime, wtf... Every mma organizations do it... They actually have rankings that matter and guys move up and down the ladder and are always matched competitively. In boxing we got fres quendo a ****ing mandatory challenger FFS, look who stevenson has fought recently, Santa cruz's last fight... Those fights are jokes..
Are you actually ok with all the mismatches in boxing, and how the timing works in boxing,...
That's why boxing is dead, and has lost all casuals and mainstream attention...

Since the begining of PPv, boxing has always been able to deliver stars that could get 1 million PPv buys... Today, the biggest star in his prime can't even crack a million in his biggest fight possible..
It's really a bad sign when canelo-cotto can't break a million...


PBC would be better served with competitive fights, rather than mismatches

Sadly, they are. So long as the guy gets paid, thats all they really care to see. Because they have said for years, "Boxing is a business, and its their health, not yours".

Now, because PBC is a sinking ship, they pretend they were all about great fights.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You expected this is less than a year of existence, in a sport that yourself believe is 'dying', while going against 100 years of corrupt promoters/mob money, corrupt sanctioning bodies, network money, and a mouthpiece-for-the-establishment boxing media?

Is that really a fair benchmark to judge PBC on?

But they aren't doing anything different than those corrupt promoters and sanctioning bodies..

What are they doing differently..

Catchweights check
Showcase mismatches check
Don't build off big wins check
Phony baloney belts and champs. Check

Literally the only difference is the entrance music walkouts

[Sweet Jones]

But they aren't doing anything different than those corrupt promoters and sanctioning bodies..

What are they doing differently..

Catchweights check
Showcase mismatches check
Don't build off big wins check
Phony baloney belts and champs. Check


Literally the only difference is the entrance music walkouts

Really?

Catchweights? Not building off big wins? You mention 'phony belts', yet at the same time you're upset that PBC didn't crown it's own champions? PBC hadn't even been mentioning the sanctioned belts on their broadcasts.

Come on, bruh.

Respectfully, you seem to be conflating PBC's inability (or lack of interest) in 'fixing' what YOU personally don't like about the current state of boxing with whether or not PBC is a failed or misguided effort.

PBC is attempting to fundamentally change the power dynamics (Networks/Promoters in cahoots vs an athlete/manager empowered model), pay structure (eliminating the large promoter cut) and distribution (few pay cable networks reliant on PPVs vs a multiplatform delivery system that includes -and financed by- network TV) of this sport.

IMO, this is where boxing has been slowly cutting off its nose to spite its face.

And you are already starting to see some of the impacts. I can't think of any fighter who has signed a network exclusive deal since Kovalev. The purses for boxing's 'middle class' (Crawford, Bradley, etc.) has been going up. New competitors are entering the market and raising purses (RocNation). Some networks (SpikeTV for example) are showing a real interest in boxing as programming. Promoters appear more open to shopping fights (Loma/Walters) instead of waiting on network dates. Promoters are being forced to soften their hard stances on who they 'won't ever work with'.

No one said it would be easy.

Patience, brother.

[brettWall]

It's not even about the effort of trying. The intention is simply not there. It's non existent.

What can we do? They've been ramming these garbage showcase fights down our throats for years now.

You might as well try to enjoy them by rooting for the underdog and pray for the total destruction of the guy they're building up. Once in a while I see myself jumping with joy in certain fights, however seldom they may be. Cherry picks gone bad are fun to watch.