who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Floyd has said that he was severely dehydrated and why he was dehydrated. He said that with the help of Dr Alez Ariza, they were able to defeat Floyd's "extreme dehydration". Ellerbe and Ariza confirmed that Floyd was dehydrated. So there is the proof of what the defense is claiming.



State of dehydration
So now all we have to prove is that Floyd was not extremely dehydrated. Studies and literature on this subject define dehydration as the total loss in fluids which in turn mean loss in weight.

Original weight - dehydrated weight to get the loss in weight.


State of dehydration
Studies also state that the most accurate way to assess the dehydration state is to have the person's weight before and when the person was severely dehydrated. Like I said, that is the most accurate way to determine because when there is mild dehydration, as an example, often there are no clinical signs except for as an example being thirsty.

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Studies have defined mild dehydration as a person who has a maximum weight differential of 4-5%.
Floyd was in the 0-1% category if you take into consideration Floyd's weigh in weight + fluid intake after that.

Yet he was given an IV? What a joke, right?
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Also, Vital signs were normal. The above (mild dehydration) explains why Floyd's blood pressure was better than normal instead of low. Pulse rate was normal. Again, the above (mild dehydration) explains why it was normal. Its all there in the studies.

But like I said, the most important factor in this equation is Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days! You cannot hide from that fact.

You do not get to use an IV if you are mildly dehydrated. IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP EXCEPT IN FLOYD AND HIS FANS MIND!!! They cannot explain!


- nailed it!

That deserves a standing ovation ADP02! bravo!

[Spoon23]

Damn son, you really can't stop trying to suck me off. I told you, I don't go that way.

I get it already dude. You're blinded by hate because I've been kicking your a$$ all over this website, and now you are reduced to being a cheerleader.

I turned you into a b*tch. Spoon the cheerleader. Get your pom poms ready for more, sissy boy. I'm always around to school you girls.

Lol you wish. You are the dumbest poster NSB. But, that's the entertaining part seeing you argue is like watching a ****** try to look smart hahaha

You've been kicked to the dirt over and over since 2008. Man aren't you wondering why no one agrees with you? You've been red since 2008 lol

If i were you, I will be ashamed to even write anything on the board with that kind of resume lol

You don't make sense at all. As a friend, I advice you to do some more reading. Start with a children's book first. Small steps, then afterwards read the book I gave you. The book for autism. You'll get there! Good luck!

[travestyny]

You don't make sense at all. As a friend, I advice you to do some more reading. Start with a children's book first. Small steps, then afterwards read the book I gave you. The book for autism. You'll get there! Good luck!

Advice is a noun. The verb you are looking for is "advise."

Stick to being a cheerleader. Grab your pom poms, fool.

[Spoon23]

From your very same article.



What did I say about results like that?

You are either masking with epitestosterone or your natural production has been suppressed because you just came off a cycle and haven't dont proper post cycle therapy to restart your natural production.

There is a problem with PTC when it comes to sports. The two main drugs for restarting your system are HCG and clomid are banned and both are easily detectable.



This guy does not have low testosterone.



So much for your reading comprehension.

TravestNY has no common sense or comprehension to discuss intelligently in a level adults do. Be gentle with him. His red for obvious reasons. As you have mentioned.

[Spoon23]

Advice is a noun. The verb you are looking for is "advise."

Stick to being a cheerleader. Grab your pom poms, fool.

Oh, it's the English teacher lol

You should be in an English forum. That's were you belong, but add reading comprehension forum to get you up to speed.

[travestyny]

TravestNY has no common sense or comprehension to discuss intelligently in a level adults do. Be gentle with him. His red for obvious reasons. As you have mentioned.

Actually, I've pointed out many situations where your boy above has failed at showing adequate reading comprehension skills. I don't feel a need to post them to you.

However, his above information also shows his poor reading skills. The quotations I provided both show that there is no direct tie between below 1 T:E ratio and PED use. If you were paying attention to the merits of the posts instead of just being a cheerleader, you would know that.

So Spoon, gimme an F. Gimme an O. Gimme an O, L!

What's that spell? SPOON apparently. You are nothing more than a b*tch a$$ cheerleader. Stay in your lane. Don't try to debate the merits of this issue. You might hurt yourself, son.

[ADP02]

1. In the video, he states that Ariza showed him how to REHYDRATE LIKE A PROFESSIONAL.Do you really think he means that Ariza taught him how to drink water? What do you think he is talking about? Put 1+1 together.

2. Your problem is the same as it always has been. You don't quite understand that proof comes with his medical records. Proof comes with testimony from those who examined him. Plenty of posters have already shown you that weight loss is not the only factor with regards to dehydration. But to play your game, shouldn't you take into account his natural weight as the starting point? What weight did he start at? The fight was announced in March. His 30 day weight was 150.5. Could he have begun at a higher natural weight? 151? 152? Higher? Do you have insider information on this?

If he began at 152 and weighed in at 146, that would mean that he lost 4% of his body weight, but that's just a guess as I don't have information at his true non-dehydrated weight.

Factor in that you have no idea what USADA deems to be acute dehydration. Factor in that you also have no idea what USADA deems to be chronic dehydration, which fits the TUE guideline.

So, here you go:
Symptoms of chronic dehydration will begin to appear when the body loses as little as two to three percent of total body water.

Here are some common symptoms of chronic dehydration:

• Fatigue -- Do you have information on whether he experienced fatigue?
• Constipation -- constipation is almost always one of the primary symptoms of chronic dehydration. Any information on that?
• High blood pressure -- The blood is normally about 94 percent water when the body is fully hydrated. When dehydrated, the blood is thicker causing resistance to blood flow, which thus can raise blood pressure.
• High cholesterol -- Any information on that?
• Acid-alkaline imbalance-- Dehydration significantly reduces the ability of the body to eliminate acid wastes. What did the doctors say?
• Digestive disorders A shortage of water and alkaline minerals, such as calcium and magnesium, can lead to a host of digestive disorders, including ulcers, gastritis and acid reflux. What did the doctors say?
• Asthma and allergies--According to Water for Health, for Healing, for Life, chronic dehydration "is the primary cause of allergies and asthma in the human body." I do recall him writing "allergies" on his health form.
• Skin disorders -- Did you check to see if he has dandruff? Anything else?
• Joint pain or stiffness -- Not sure what the doctor found besides brittle hands.
• Bladder or kidney problems -- As with all of the organs of elimination, when the body is dehydrated, toxins are not eliminated as well. The accumulation of toxins and acid waste create an environment where bacteria thrive. Thus, when dehydrated the bladder and kidney become more prone to infection, inflammation and pain.Kidneys make urine, so when the kidneys are failing, the urine may change. How? You may urinate less often, or in smaller amounts than usual, with dark-colored urine. http://lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/ckdinfo.php?page=3
• Premature aging -- When the body is chronically dehydrated, the skin begins to wrinkle prematurely. Vampire facials as a remedy? I don't know. Maybe we should ask his doctor???

Of the above list, you've mentioned his blood pressure. You have no information on any of the other conditions, and neither do I besides allergies and bladder/kidney problems. Don't you think you need some further information to be sure of anything (of course you don't think so)?

Can you prove he did not have chronic dehydration? You don't even have solid proof he didn't experience acute dehydration. You have no proof of anything. Point blank, period.

You seriously do not know what chronic dehydration means. It would mean that Floyd has been suffering from this condition for a long time. You know that is not the case. Or maybe that Floyd has been using this IV excuse for a while. Could be. Although, his prefight form only says "Allergies". But lets be real. Floyd's weight is relatively very stable in his fights at these weights.


You are bringing up (listing) symptoms not the state of dehydration. Like I said, Floyd doesn't have chronic dehydration. If he did, we can check his previous fights weights and pre-fight forms. Did he lie in all his forms?


You want to push it up to 152. I have no problem with that but lets be honest here. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days!!! There was no wicked downturn at any point.

Still, Floyd weighed in at 146. He was holding probably a 1.5 litre bottle of water at the weigh in. If he finished drinking the whole bottle, that would mean that he drank 3.3lbs of water. If Floyd drank 1 litre that would mean 2.2lbs. So even at 152, Floyd was still well below the limit and one may call it MILD dehydration. BUT its NOT severe dehydration. See my point?

As you can see with my numbers (1 liter = 2.2lbs), Floyd can rehydrate by drinking and also eating his way back to fight night weight easily!!!


Here you go. Even in other fights, its relatively stable.








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[ADP02]

- nailed it!

That deserves a standing ovation ADP02! bravo!

[travestyny]

You seriously do not know what chronic dehydration means. It would mean that Floyd has been suffering from this condition for a long time. You know that is not the case.

No, I do not know that is not the case, and the point is, neither do you know that.

You are bringing up symptoms not the state of dehydration. Like I said, Floyd doesn't have chronic dehydration. If he did, we can check his previous fights weights and pre-fight forms. Did he lie in all his forms?

How do you know he doesn't have chronic dehydration? What is his non-dehydrated walking around weight?

You want to push it up to 152. I have no problem with that but lets be honest here. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days!!! There was no wicked downturn at any point.

You do realize what chronic dehydration would mean, right? This is self-explanatory.

Still, Floyd weighed in at 146. He was holding probably a 1.5 litre bottle of water at the weigh in. If he finished drinking the whole bottle, that would mean that he drank 3.3lbs of water. If Floyd drank 1 litre that would mean 2.2lbs. So even at 152, Floyd was still well below the limit and one may call it MILD dehydration. BUT its NOT severe dehydration. See my point?

But did he have chronic dehydration? You are still stuck on severe dehydration. I think that is what you commonly have referred to as "deflecting."

As you can see with my numbers (1 liter = 2.2lbs), Floyd can rehydrate by drinking and also eating his way back to fight night weight easily!!!

That's your opinion. I think he would rather follow his strength and conditioning coach's opinion, who apparently taught him how to rehydrated like a professional.

Here you go. Even in other fights, its relatively stable.

Again, was the TUE granted because he was found to have acute dehydration or chronic dehydration? Did he in fact have chronic dehydration? We would have to start at his normal non-dehydrated walking around weight, and not his weight a month before a fight when he is in training.

[ADP02]

No, I do not know that is not the case, and the point is, neither do you know that.


How do you know he doesn't have chronic dehydration? What is his non-dehydrated walking around weight?


You do realize what chronic dehydration would mean, right? This is self-explanatory.


But did he have chronic dehydration? You are still stuck on severe dehydration. I think that is what you commonly have referred to as "deflecting."


That's your opinion. I think he would rather follow his strength and conditioning coach's opinion, who apparently taught him how to rehydrated like a professional.



Again, was the TUE granted because he was found to have acute dehydration or chronic dehydration? Did he in fact have chronic dehydration? We would have to start at his normal non-dehydrated walking around weight, and not his weight a month before a fight when he is in training.

You better go check out what chronic dehydration means. Besides Floyd having a relatively stable weight for the Manny fight, its also comparable to his other fights. No drastic fluctuation means that Floyd didn't have no significant form of dehydration.


Here is Floyd discussing and boasting that he weighed in less than Manny on fight night. Floyd said even after eating a lot he only gained 3lbs!!!!! What? So you still think he needed an IV?

Man, forget about it. The jig was already up but now we just put the nail in the coffin. Floyd was not even dehydrated when he had that IV!!!



Floyd: Manny was better than I expected. Yes. He is small but all his weight ....

Floyd: Going into the fight Manny weighed 152, I weighed 149.

Reporter: The night of the fight?

Floyd: Yes the night of the fight Manny weighed more than me on the night of the fight.

Floyd: Nevada Commission checked my weight. I was 149 and I ate a lot.

Reporter: Did you know before the fight that he was heavier?

Floyd: I found out after that he weighed more than me.

Reporter: He weighed 145 and you weighed in at 146?

Floyd: Yes, I put on 3 pounds.


Floyd: at 3:30 "Manny can see that I'm strong. Strong don't just have to do with hitting hard. A guy can hit hard but not be strong. Physical strong. When we were tussling, Manny can see that I was extremely strong. I'm going to use everything to my advantage. Always."








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