who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Dosumpthin]

Well obviously floyd doesnt know what hes talking about because hes not a doctor.


So i need to see the tue application.

[Spoon23]

No Doctor has the balls to say he certified Froid

No official reason for dehydration.

To this day.. Nothing..








TBE Testosterone Below Epistestosterone! 49-r0id!

[Spoon23]

Well obviously floyd doesnt know what hes talking about because hes not a doctor.


So i need to see the tue application.

Then go on find that unicorn! Save your shamed hero! Go forth!

[ADP02]

Well obviously floyd doesnt know what hes talking about because hes not a doctor.


So i need to see the tue application.

I was expecting this deflection .... I saw the bullet and I saw you throwing yourself just to protect your hero. That is mighty brave of you.





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[ADP02]

Well obviously floyd doesnt know what hes talking about because hes not a doctor.


So i need to see the tue application.

I was right after all in that you were going to take the "ignorance" approach to defend Floyd.


Maybe the NSAC did what you said too. You know, Manny is not ignorant and should know that a "rotator cuff" injury is the same as "shoulder" injury ..... but for Floyd, no, "dehydration" has too many letters. Its too complex for him to understand and write down on that pre-fight form.

[Spoon23]

I was right after all in that you were going to take the "ignorance" approach to defend Floyd.


Maybe the NSAC did what you said too. You know, Manny is not ignorant and should know that a "rotator cuff" injury is the same as "shoulder" injury ..... but for Floyd, no, "dehydration" has too many letters. Its too complex for him to understand and write down on that pre-fight form.

That's what happens when they get cornered. They turn into pussay cats lmao

[travestyny]

Lol what a lame argument to say travestyNY, your weakest and dumbest so far lol GTTOFAK mops you again and again lol

You just owned yourself. He gave you facts. And you are in a forum were facts is what counts. Learn from this so you'll be green sooner than later lmao

Damn son, you really can't stop trying to suck me off. I told you, I don't go that way.

I get it already dude. You're blinded by hate because I've been kicking your a$$ all over this website, and now you are reduced to being a cheerleader.

I turned you into a b*tch. Spoon the cheerleader. Get your pom poms ready for more, sissy boy. I'm always around to school you girls.

[travestyny]

Let's get some things straight here:

1. Burden of proof: the imperative on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the default position to one's own position.

It is clear who has the burden of proof. The default position is that Floyd Mayweather had a condition that allowed for the use of an IV, and furthermore the use of that IV was in accordance with the rules followed by USADA. If you see this any other way, you are just clearly wrong. How can the default position be that he wasn't dehydrated and did in fact take PED's? If you can't even admit this much, then there is no reason to debate any further.

The simple proof that there is no proof that Mayweather wasn't dehydrated enough to qualify for the TUE or that he took PEDs is that Manny's legal team had no legs to stand on. He refused to appeal to NSAC. The issue was dropped. This should make it clear that all of you claiming to have proof have none.

2. T/E ratio:
Some of you still holding onto this, but have no idea what you are talking about.
I've seen clear statements from some of you that a T/E ratio below 1 = su****ious/Confirms PED use.

Here's Conte:
“If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is su****ious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”
Read more at http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vic...wphzlERwHoo.99

So Cormier, who had a below 1 T:E ratio was normal according to Conte. Hmmm. Some of you tried to call me out because Conte still insisted that Jones levels were still su****ious. Well, then there is this by Conte:

"Testosterone use out of competition is against WADA rules. IMO UFC Jon Jones's 3 T/E ratio tests are su****ious. CIR follow up tests=TRUTH"

"64K question now is will the Nevada comm have the balls 2 do what's right & retest UFC Jones' samples w/ CIR & reveal the truth? DanaWhite"

Now I know you experts out there are going to argue that CIR testing is basically nothing, but I'm just revealing what Conte said. If he is your expert, then why not ride with what he said? CIR testing was done. So was it TRUTH Conte?

Furthermore, there is this:

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said.


Thirdly, mind you that Mayweather's T:E ratio was not as low as Jon Jones. So we have two "experts" in the field that both agreed that a T/E ratio below 1 does not confirm PED use. Furthermore, we know Mayweather's samples were indeed CIR tested. Sorry, Hauser's issue with Mayweather's T/E ratio has been proven to be irrelevant.

Lastly, IV Masking:
Masking with an IV would not have any bearing on the tests Mayweather took after the fight. There is also a willingness to downplay the partial urine sample given before the IV.


That pretty much takes away everything. It's a wrap.

[ADP02]

Floyd is rehydrated thanks to Alex Ariza

Floyd says @ 3:23 "Alex Ariza makes sure I'm rehydrated.






-Floyd's Piss was black @ 0:40

So why you need 750 of IVS again Floyd?"




So why you need 750 of IVS again Floyd?" Haha

So I thought your piss was black? I thought Alex Ariza did a good job?

Let's get some things straight here:

1. Burden of proof: the imperative on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the default position to one's own position.

It is clear who has the burden of proof. The default position is that Floyd Mayweather had a condition that allowed for the use of an IV, and furthermore the use of that IV was in accordance with the rules followed by USADA. If you see this any other way, you are just clearly wrong. How can the default position be that he wasn't dehydrated and did in fact take PED's? If you can't even admit this much, then there is no reason to debate any further.

The simple proof that there is no proof that Mayweather wasn't dehydrated enough to qualify for the TUE or that he took PEDs is that Manny's legal team had no legs to stand on. He refused to appeal to NSAC. The issue was dropped. This should make it clear that all of you claiming to have proof have none.
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The proof is there and you are not getting it. Experts like those that you named said there should be a federal investigation on USADA because they are not supposed to handing out TUEs like hotcakes. In fact, USADA does NOT hand them out like hot cakes but they made an exception for Floyd.

Floyd has said that he was severely dehydrated and why he was dehydrated. He said that with the help of Dr Alez Ariza, they were able to defeat Floyd's "extreme dehydration". Ellerbe and Ariza confirmed that Floyd was dehydrated. So there is the proof of what the defense is claiming.



State of dehydration
So now all we have to prove is that Floyd was not extremely dehydrated. Studies and literature on this subject define dehydration as the total loss in fluids which in turn mean loss in weight.

Original weight - dehydrated weight to get the loss in weight.


State of dehydration
Studies also state that the most accurate way to assess the dehydration state is to have the person's weight before and when the person was severely dehydrated. Like I said, that is the most accurate way to determine because when there is mild dehydration, as an example, often there are no clinical signs except for as an example being thirsty.

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Studies have defined mild dehydration as a person who has a maximum weight differential of 4-5%.
Floyd was in the 0-1% category if you take into consideration Floyd's weigh in weight + fluid intake after that.

Yet he was given an IV? What a joke, right?
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Also, Vital signs were normal. The above (mild dehydration) explains why Floyd's blood pressure was better than normal instead of low. Pulse rate was normal. Again, the above (mild dehydration) explains why it was normal. Its all there in the studies.

But like I said, the most important factor in this equation is Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days! You cannot hide from that fact.

You do not get to use an IV if you are mildly dehydrated. IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP EXCEPT IN FLOYD AND HIS FANS MIND!!! They cannot explain!


30 days out 150,
2 weeks out 149
1 week out 148
Weigh in weight 146 + orally rehydrated. Later he also got an IV????

The above is why they cannot come out and show us any proof that Floyd required an IV. The proof is all there in those numbers.



So we came up with our evidence. So the way this works is that now the Burden of proof is all yours. We shifted the conclusions away from the default position. Now lets see you shift it right back.

Note: Deflecting is not evidence to shift it back to you. So do not go there!


Burden of proof: the imperative on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the NEW position to one's own position.





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[travestyny]

The proof is there and you are not getting it. Experts like those that you named said there should be a federal investigation on USADA because they are not supposed to handing out TUEs like hotcakes. In fact, USADA does NOT hand them out like hot cakes but they made an exception for Floyd.

Floyd has said that he was severely dehydrated and why he was dehydrated. He said that with the help of Dr Alez Ariza, they were able to defeat Floyd's "extreme dehydration". Ellerbe and Ariza confirmed that Floyd was dehydrated. So there is the proof of what the defense is claiming.



State of dehydration
So now all we have to prove is that Floyd was not extremely dehydrated. Studies and literature on this subject define dehydration as the total loss in fluids which in turn mean loss in weight.

Original weight - dehydrated weight to get the loss in weight.


State of dehydration
Studies also state that the most accurate way to assess the dehydration state is to have the person's weight before and when the person was severely dehydrated. Like I said, that is the most accurate way to determine because when there is mild dehydration, as an example, often there are no clinical signs except for as an example being thirsty.

*************************************************
Studies have defined mild dehydration as a person who has a maximum weight differential of 4-5%.
Floyd was in the 0-1% category if you take into consideration Floyd's weigh in weight + fluid intake after that.

Yet he was given an IV? What a joke, right?
************************************************** **

Also, Vital signs were normal. The above (mild dehydration) explains why Floyd's blood pressure was better than normal instead of low. Pulse rate was normal. Again, the above (mild dehydration) explains why it was normal. Its all there in the studies.

But like I said, the most important factor in this equation is Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days! You cannot hide from that fact.

You do not get to use an IV if you are mildly dehydrated. IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP EXCEPT IN FLOYD AND HIS FANS MIND!!! They cannot explain!


30 days out 150,
2 weeks out 149
1 week out 148
Weigh in weight 146 + orally rehydrated. Later he also got an IV????

The above is why they cannot come out and show us any proof that Floyd required an IV. The proof is all there in those numbers.



So we came up with our evidence. So the way this works is that now the Burden of proof is all yours. We shifted the conclusions away from the default position. Now lets see you shift it right back.

Note: Deflecting is not evidence to shift it back to you. So do not go there!


Burden of proof: the imperative on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the NEW position to one's own position.

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1. In the video, he states that Ariza showed him how to REHYDRATE LIKE A PROFESSIONAL.Do you really think he means that Ariza taught him how to drink water? What do you think he is talking about? Put 1+1 together.

2. Your problem is the same as it always has been. You don't quite understand that proof comes with his medical records. Proof comes with testimony from those who examined him. Plenty of posters have already shown you that weight loss is not the only factor with regards to dehydration. But to play your game, shouldn't you take into account his natural weight as the starting point? What weight did he start at? The fight was announced in March. His 30 day weight was 150.5. Could he have begun at a higher natural weight? 151? 152? Higher? Do you have insider information on this?

If he began at 152 and weighed in at 146, that would mean that he lost 4% of his body weight, but that's just a guess as I don't have information at his true non-dehydrated weight.

Factor in that you have no idea what USADA deems to be acute dehydration. Factor in that you also have no idea what USADA deems to be chronic dehydration, which fits the TUE guideline.

So, here you go:
Symptoms of chronic dehydration will begin to appear when the body loses as little as two to three percent of total body water.

Here are some common symptoms of chronic dehydration:

• Fatigue -- Do you have information on whether he experienced fatigue?
• Constipation -- constipation is almost always one of the primary symptoms of chronic dehydration. Any information on that?
• High blood pressure -- The blood is normally about 94 percent water when the body is fully hydrated. When dehydrated, the blood is thicker causing resistance to blood flow, which thus can raise blood pressure.
• High cholesterol -- Any information on that?
• Acid-alkaline imbalance-- Dehydration significantly reduces the ability of the body to eliminate acid wastes. What did the doctors say?
• Digestive disorders A shortage of water and alkaline minerals, such as calcium and magnesium, can lead to a host of digestive disorders, including ulcers, gastritis and acid reflux. What did the doctors say?
• Asthma and allergies--According to Water for Health, for Healing, for Life, chronic dehydration "is the primary cause of allergies and asthma in the human body." I do recall him writing "allergies" on his health form.
• Skin disorders -- Did you check to see if he has dandruff? Anything else?
• Joint pain or stiffness -- Not sure what the doctor found besides brittle hands.
• Bladder or kidney problems -- As with all of the organs of elimination, when the body is dehydrated, toxins are not eliminated as well. The accumulation of toxins and acid waste create an environment where bacteria thrive. Thus, when dehydrated the bladder and kidney become more prone to infection, inflammation and pain.Kidneys make urine, so when the kidneys are failing, the urine may change. How? You may urinate less often, or in smaller amounts than usual, with dark-colored urine. http://lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/ckdinfo.php?page=3
• Premature aging -- When the body is chronically dehydrated, the skin begins to wrinkle prematurely. Vampire facials as a remedy? I don't know. Maybe we should ask his doctor???

Of the above list, you've mentioned his blood pressure. You have no information on any of the other conditions, and neither do I besides allergies and bladder/kidney problems. Don't you think you need some further information to be sure of anything (of course you don't think so)?

Can you prove he did not have chronic dehydration? You don't even have solid proof he didn't experience acute dehydration. You have no proof of anything. Point blank, period.