who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

Partial tear could be ready to compete in 3 months. You're welcome.

“We operate on partial tears, too. Go in, clean things up. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-...angeles-lakers

YOU ARE WELCOME! That statement agrees with what I have been telling you.

Basketball and boxing is different. Kobe does not have to announce his comeback months in advance nor does he have to worry that he can just delay it if he makes a bold prediction. Floyd had to be not just starting his rehab but ready to say that he can be back on August 10 many months in advance.

So the timeline is still conflicting. What you pointed out is that the athlete is still in rehab and just starting to do major weight rehab but by then Floyd had to say that he was ready since they had to announce the fight and he was supposed to be ready for training camp not just weigh training!!!


How can Floyd feel confident that his doctor's clear him to start his training camp that soon?

[travestyny]

Remember that you questioned the validity of Manny's doctor's statements due to a reporter from ESPN saying it was a partial tear vs a full tear.

That's correct. Because a rehabilitation specialist who talks to the doctor should not get this information incorrect. She was called there to give her expert opinion. How could she get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd?

So now the tables are turned and you are talking differently. What's worse is that its Floyd that is clearly indicating his right arm.

He is indicating how he threw the punch. Do you have a video of him saying he messed up his right shoulder? It's not my fault that you are reading too much into this.

So again, with Manny, a conflicting statement questions the validity of the renowned doctor's statements. Floyd indicated it was his right and then the commentary by HBO says left you respond by trying to convince this: "See the commentator corrected Floyd. Were all good."

First, I didn't say anyone corrected Floyd. There was nothing to be corrected. Did you expect the narrator to say, "Correction, he is showing how he punched with his right arm, but it was the left that was hurt." Don't be ******ed.

Second, it's was not about the conflicting statement. That was just more fishy bs added to the MOUNDS AND MOUNDS of **** that doesn't make sense about Pacquaio's injury. You are just too stubborn to admit what's right in front of your face.

Secondly, lets say it was an injury. Why the conflicting statements: "strained" rotator cuff vs "torn" rotator cuff. So if there was an injury, was there an exaggeration of how badly Floyd was really hurt just so he can use it as an excuse?

Castillo thought it was just an excuse by Floyd.

You are talking differently now that its Floyd. If the above statements or whatever else I have posted yesterday was about Manny instead, you would be talking quite differently.

How can someone have surgery and soon after discuss a potential match? Are you not su****ious at least somewhat su****ious? Was Floyd and his team exaggerating?

I'm talking different? I've said that I was never sure there was a surgery. I've never seen Floyd mention that he had a surgery at that time, nor anyone from his team. It's clear to me, as it should be to anyone, that there was an injury. If it was a torn rotator cuff, it's clear that it was no more than a partial tear. If there was a surgery, I just posted to you the recovery time for a partial tear. I don't see what the issue is about Floyd anymore.

[travestyny]

YOU ARE WELCOME! That statement agrees with what I have been telling you.

Basketball and boxing is different. Kobe does not have to announce his comeback months in advance nor does he have to worry that he can just delay it if he makes a bold prediction. Floyd had to be not just starting his rehab but ready to say that he can be back on August 10 many months in advance.

So the timeline is still conflicting. What you pointed out is that the athlete is still in rehab and just starting to do major weight rehab but by then Floyd had to say that he was ready since they had to announce the fight and he was supposed to be ready for training camp not just weigh training!!!


How can Floyd feel confident that his doctor's clear him to start his training camp that soon?

My statement agrees with you? How so? It's about a partial tear.

I'm not sure how they knew he would be ready. Maybe there was no surgery. Like I've said, I never saw his team or him mention surgery at that time. I tried to find evidence of it, and I only found the surgery he had on his shoulder at the beginning of this year. If there was no surgery and his team leaked to the media that there was one, then I would assume his team was lying to exaggerate the injury. Anything is possible when Mr. Bob Arum is involved.

What I do know is that there clearly was an injury. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue that there wasn't one. Also, don't know how that helps your argument about Manny, unless you are trying to argue that Manny lied and Floyd lied too. I stated that I always had doubts about surgery on Mayweather at that time. The turn around was too quick. But all of the evidence about Pac...you can't even admit that it's a little su****ious.

[Spoon23]

Seriously get your brain checked it has too much kool-aid. At this point. it's getting worse. You have shyit for brains man. Clean it up.

Analyze this food for thought, travestNY. Why is it that the poll is showing Froid is winning by a landslide? What's your theory?

Here's mine,

Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

I'm losing what exactly?

Okay you seem to be back with your comprehension disorder were you end up having selective reasoning. So I'll make it exact for you so you won't end up walking on egg shells again.

Here is the question. Why is it that Floyd is winning the polls by a Landslide in this thread. What is your theory on this. Pls explain thoroughly. I know you love explaining. I can't wait to here your explanation.

Why is Floyd winning In this poll?

# I'm hoping you are man enough not to duck this question again. I gave you the benefit of the doubt the last time you ducked it. This time I think if you do duck it.. Well let's just say.. You don't want to sound like a Ducky.

[travestyny]

Okay you seem to be back with your comprehension disorder were you end up having selective reasoning. So I'll make it exact for you so you won't end up walking on egg shells again.

Here is the question. Why is it that Floyd is winning the polls by a Landslide in this thread. What is your theory on this. Pls explain thoroughly. I know you love explaining. I can't wait to here your explanation.

Why is Floyd winning In this poll?

# I'm hoping you are man enough not to duck this question again. I gave you the benefit of the doubt the last time you ducked it. This time I think if you do duck it.. Well let's just say.. You don't want to sound like a Ducky.

Walking on eggshells? Duck this question again??? The hell are you talking about. Your delusion is sad.

But I'll play. This is quite simple.

Change the poll to "Which one of these fighters has the most haters" and the result will be the same. The higher you go, the more they want to bring you down, especially when your reputation is that of a c@cky fighter whom people wish to be humbled.

Now your turn. Answer this question, and don't duck it.

What happened to your new and improved poll? Once you made it public, the results were DRASTICALLY different. Furthermore, it was more in line with the public poll that another member had already posted to the site. What do you think went wrong once you made it public?

All of your hard work, and the overwhelming majority still admit Pacquaio LOST. That's even with the amount of haters that Floyd has vs. Pac. Interesting, no?

[ADP02]

That's correct. Because a rehabilitation specialist who talks to the doctor should not get this information incorrect. She was called there to give her expert opinion. How could she get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd?

So someone on TV got it wrong so you blame the doctor? Yet Floyd himself uses his right arm to indicate how he hurt his shoulder and points to where it hurt on his RIGHT SHOULDER, is not alarming you?
Same question: How could Floyd get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd? Worst pain ever and he forgets which shoulder but remembers everything else about the injury? WOW!

He is indicating how he threw the punch. Do you have a video of him saying he messed up his right shoulder? It's not my fault that you are reading too much into this.

Reading too much into this you say?
You are the one who used as evidence a person on TV who got it wrong to blame Manny's doctor. Manny had surgery yet you are the one with wild speculations that convinced you that Manny was not even injured. Manny says the word SWIMMING and you say "got you". You see a guy holding a flag and you say "Manny was waving the flag".

First, I didn't say anyone corrected Floyd. There was nothing to be corrected. Did you expect the narrator to say, "Correction, he is showing how he punched with his right arm, but it was the left that was hurt." Don't be ******ed.

Second, it's was not about the conflicting statement. That was just more fishy bs added to the MOUNDS AND MOUNDS of **** that doesn't make sense about Pacquaio's injury. You are just too stubborn to admit what's right in front of your face.

Lets be real. With Manny, you diced and sliced a picture, a video, a comment, a comment by 3rd party reporter .... but now with Floyd, who indicated his right shoulder, you do not want to use what you see as evidence? How come?

I'm talking different? I've said that I was never sure there was a surgery. I've never seen Floyd mention that he had a surgery at that time, nor anyone from his team. It's clear to me, as it should be to anyone, that there was an injury. If it was a torn rotator cuff, it's clear that it was no more than a partial tear. If there was a surgery, I just posted to you the recovery time for a partial tear. I don't see what the issue is about Floyd anymore.

Floyd and his team said it was really bad. Worst pain that he ever experienced. Floyd, Roger and his fans said it was torn rotator cuff.

What you showed is proof that no way could they have even contemplated a return because Floyd would be doing rehab at 6 weeks, not announcing a fight!!! So why are you not calling it for what it is? Manny fought 1 year later while Floyd was open to fight August 10 (in Vegas) and these discussions had to have taken place in May and start training in June!!! and you ask, I'm talking different? WOW!!!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Castillo

"After Mayweather's successful shoulder surgery, Castillo re-matched with Mayweather"

[ADP02]

My statement agrees with you? How so? It's about a partial tear.

I'm not sure how they knew he would be ready. Maybe there was no surgery. Like I've said, I never saw his team or him mention surgery at that time. I tried to find evidence of it, and I only found the surgery he had on his shoulder at the beginning of this year. If there was no surgery and his team leaked to the media that there was one, then I would assume his team was lying to exaggerate the injury. Anything is possible when Mr. Bob Arum is involved.

What I do know is that there clearly was an injury. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue that there wasn't one. Also, don't know how that helps your argument about Manny, unless you are trying to argue that Manny lied and Floyd lied too. I stated that I always had doubts about surgery on Mayweather at that time. The turn around was too quick. But all of the evidence about Pac...you can't even admit that it's a little su****ious.

WOW, I seen you do this twice now in 2 separate threads. Blaming Arum for Floyd's excuses, lies and ducks!

[Dosumpthin]

Well well well.....look at how desperate the pact@rds have become. They are now suggesting floyd wasn't hurt during Castillo...... as if it somehow justifies the mountain of lies and excuses coming out of team pedquiao.

Typical

And pathetic.

[travestyny]

So someone on TV got it wrong so you blame the doctor? Yet Floyd himself uses his right arm to indicate how he hurt his shoulder and points to where it hurt on his RIGHT SHOULDER, is not alarming you?
Same question: How could Floyd get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd? Worst pain ever and he forgets which shoulder but remembers everything else about the injury? WOW!




Reading too much into this you say?
You are the one who used as evidence a person on TV who got it wrong to blame Manny's doctor. Manny had surgery yet you are the one with wild speculations that convinced you that Manny was not even injured. Manny says the word SWIMMING and you say "got you". You see a guy holding a flag and you say "Manny was waving the flag".





Lets be real. With Manny, you diced and sliced a picture, a video, a comment, a comment by 3rd party reporter .... but now with Floyd, who indicated his right shoulder, you do not want to use what you see as evidence? How come?





Floyd and his team said it was really bad. Worst pain that he ever experienced. Floyd, Roger and his fans said it was torn rotator cuff.

What you showed is proof that no way could they have even contemplated a return because Floyd would be doing rehab at 6 weeks, not announcing a fight!!! So why are you not calling it for what it is? Manny fought 1 year later while Floyd was open to fight August 10 (in Vegas) and these discussions had to have taken place in May and start training in June!!! and you ask, I'm talking different? WOW!!!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Castillo

"After Mayweather's successful shoulder surgery, Castillo re-matched with Mayweather"

Ok, let me slow this down for you before you hurt yourself. Read very carefully.

1. In Floyd's situation, he was in a match where he swept the first 4 rounds on all three judges scorecards and then complained of his shoulder injury. It was massaged. He turned southpaw. Are you seriously trying to prove that he had no injury. That's a joke and you know it.

2. You are holding on to this claim (that you said was 2 occasions, but magically one occasion has disappeared) that when he was talking about how he injured the arm, he was referring to the same arm that was injured. Ok. I have no problem with you thinking you caught him in some kind of lie. Now, refer to point #1 and realize that you are being idiotic.

3. That Floyd may not have had surgery doesn't help you. We know that Pac was diagnosed with his doctor as having a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Now, refer to my past posts about him NOT doing what Floyd did in the ring to demonstrate his shoulder injury, how his sparring partner said he didn't notice any injury, how I listed (was it at least 12?) sites that said swimming should not be done even 3 months after surgery, how there is video of him swimming, how there is video of him playing basketball, how there is a picture of him with his arm over his head ONE MONTH after surgery, how there is video of him using the right at the time where you claimed he had to spar only left handed, how there is video of him going heavy on the heavybag at the time where you said he had to spar only left handed. Damn, this is getting long. You must feel ****** by now, no? Oh yea, there's more. How HE said that he didn't go to rehab but you said he must have meant his scar was healed (LMAO). How Freddie said he was joking about being healed by GOD, but it doesn't makes sense for Freddie to say the pious Manny jokes about God, how Freddie said he called the rehab specialist in the Phils but admits that he rarely even calls Pacquaio. lol. This is getting really long now. Oh yea, that Manny lied about when the injury first occurred. That Manny said he didn't have an injury before the fight. You know what, my hand is beginning to hurt. I'm going to try to cut this off right here.

4. Never any quotation from Floyd that he had surgery. However, if he did, I posted the protocol for surgery that shows he would have been ready to go, whether you believe his team should have taken that diagnosis for granted or not.

You have nothing, as usual. The mounds of anecdotal, visual, video evidence that I have far trumps the bull**** you try to return fire with. One of us provided solid facts, and one of us talked about his son in a kiddie pool.

[travestyny]

WOW, I seen you do this twice now in 2 separate threads. Blaming Arum for Floyd's excuses, lies and ducks!

So not only do you have your head so far up Pac's a$$ you can't see straight, but you are also drinking from Arum's kool-aid. Hmm. You should do some research on Bobby Boy. See what you find out.