who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

You better go check out what chronic dehydration means. Besides Floyd having a relatively stable weight for the Manny fight, its also comparable to his other fights. No drastic fluctuation means that Floyd didn't have no significant form of dehydration.


Here is Floyd discussing and boasting that he weighed in less than Manny on fight night. Floyd said even after eating a lot he only gained 3lbs!!!!! What? So you still think he needed an IV?

Man, forget about it. The jig was already up but now we just put the nail in the coffin. Floyd was not even dehydrated when he had that IV!!!



Floyd: Manny was better than I expected. Yes. He is small but all his weight ....

Floyd: Going into the fight Manny weighed 152, I weighed 149.

Reporter: The night of the fight?

Floyd: Yes the night of the fight Manny weighed more than me on the night of the fight.

Floyd: Nevada Commission checked my weight. I was 149 and I ate a lot.

Reporter: Did you know before the fight that he was heavier?

Floyd: I found out after that he weighed more than me.

Reporter: He weighed 145 and you weighed in at 146?

Floyd: Yes, I put on 3 pounds.


Floyd: at 3:30 "Manny can see that I'm strong. Strong don't just have to do with hitting hard. A guy can hit hard but not be strong. Physical strong. When we were tussling, Manny can see that I was extremely strong. I'm going to use everything to my advantage. Always."

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1. I think YOU better go check what chronic dehydration means. Do you have proof that he didn't have chronic dehydration? Yes or no? If yes, please state what your proof is.

2. Didn't even look at the video because if it says what you state it says, it's not even relevant. We know he weighed in at 146. His fight night weight, after the IV and after eating, was 149? Ok. How is that relevant at all? Is that still below his normal weight? It's easy to know it is when his 30 day weight was 150.5. We know he rehydrated, still not to his normal weight, but what is your point?

Do you have anything of substance to add, or no? Just wondering.

[ADP02]

1. I think YOU better go check what chronic dehydration means. Do you have proof that he didn't have chronic dehydration? Yes or no? If yes, please state what your proof is.

2. Didn't even look at the video because if it says what you state it says, it's not even relevant. We know he weighed in at 146. His fight night weight, after the IV and after eating, was 149? Ok. How is that relevant at all? Is that still below his normal weight? It's easy to know it is when his 30 day weight was 150.5. We know he rehydrated, still not to his normal weight, but what is your point?

Do you have anything of substance to add, or no? Just wondering.

Sorry to say this but you are being ignorant on this subject.

Either you are doing it intentionally because its concerning Floyd or you just do not get any of this. If its not intentional, do not take what I'm saying the wrong way. There is a lot of things that other people have no idea of what they are talking about but they still talk about it. I have a cousin that is just like that. Everyone rolls their eyes when words come out of his mouth. Overall, my cousin is still a good guy. I'm sure you are too.


Like everyone has been telling you, Floyd's weight was relatively stable. That in itself proves that Floyd is not in any type of dehydration that would require an IV. At most, Floyd was very mildly dehydrated and that is to say that Floyd was just thirsty.

Week before weigh in Floyd weighed 148 and was OK,
Floyd weighed in at 146 + drank possibly 1 - 1.5 liters. That puts him already at 148.2 to 149.3.
On fight night, Floyd weighed in at 149 and said that he was "extremely strong physically" and said, besides drinking orally, the IV, he was at 149 after eating a lot. Floyd did not rehydrate back to 160s where one may suggest that Floyd was severely dehydrated.

Floyd was like he usually is. At or around 149-150. I was even going to give him 152 but they freaking weighed him!!! The evidence is right in front of you but your brain does not want to believe what we all clearly do. Floyd did not need an IV. Only ignorant people will believe that he was. Meaning, people who have no idea what dehydration means.


Studies prove you are wrong.
They say to just take the weight prior to the onset of dehydration and when the athlete is dehydrated. The studies say this is the most accurate way to assess dehydration.


Even USADA thinks you are wrong on when to weigh Floyd:
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid
•Do not restrict fluids before, during, or after the event
•Do not rely on thirst as an indicator"




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[travestyny]

Sorry to say this but you are being ignorant on this subject.

Either you are doing it intentionally because its concerning Floyd or you just do not get any of this. If its not intentional, do not take what I'm saying the wrong way. There is a lot of things that other people have no idea of what they are talking about but they still talk about it. I have a cousin that is just like that. Everyone rolls their eyes when words come out of his mouth. Overall, my cousin is still a good guy. I'm sure you are too.


Like everyone has been telling you, Floyd's weight was relatively stable. That in itself proves that Floyd is not in any type of dehydration that would require an IV. At most, Floyd was very mildly dehydrated and that is to say that Floyd was just thirsty.

Week before weigh in Floyd weighed 148 and was OK,
Floyd weighed in at 146 + drank possibly 1 - 1.5 liters. That puts him already at 148.2 to 149.3.
On fight night, Floyd weighed in at 149 and said that he was "extremely strong physically" and said, besides drinking orally, the IV, he was at 149 after eating a lot. Floyd did not rehydrate back to 160s where one may suggest that Floyd was severely dehydrated.

Floyd was like he usually is. At or around 149-150. I was even going to give him 152 but they freaking weighed him!!! The evidence is right in front of you but your brain does not want to believe what we all clearly do. Floyd did not need an IV. Only ignorant people will believe that he was. Meaning, people who have no idea what dehydration means.


Studies prove you are wrong.
They say to just take the weight prior to the onset of dehydration and when the athlete is dehydrated. The studies say this is the most accurate way to assess dehydration.


Even USADA thinks you are wrong on when to weigh Floyd:
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid
•Do not restrict fluids before, during, or after the event
•Do not rely on thirst as an indicator"

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First of all, I do want to say I respect you and I'm happy that we've never gotten much into any name calling or any other immature banter.

Secondly, I disagree that you have proven anything.

I've already shown evidence that the symptoms of chronic dehydration may appear with as little as 2-3 percent of total body water.

Since we are talking about chronic dehydration, we have to begin with his natural weight. If he weighed 150.5 one month before the fight, when training camp was on, It's easy to believe his natural weight is in the least 151 and perhaps more.

He obviously didn't rehydrate to his natural body weight in that time. I think that's clear since you always post that his 30 day weight was 150.5, and he rehydrated to 149. Furthermore, it is completely possible that he felt weak at 149 when he was continuing to go down, and strong at 149 when he was rehydrating back toward normal weight.

I listed some of the symptoms of chronic dehydration. Some of them he fit, one according to the NSAC he didn't, and the others we both have no idea of.

It is completely possible that he experienced chronic dehydration. I don't know how else to put it to you. If we need to agree to disagree on this, that is fine.

The thing is that you don't want to move past the dehydration issue into the PED issue. Honestly, I think enough has been said about this issue altogether. No one is going to convince anyone, and I don't have a problem with that. I think it's time to let this issue die.

[Spoon23]

Another red flag that questions why was Floyd severely dehydrated when nsac doctor rules him in fine form during the weigh-in.

If a fighter is dehydrated, his blood pressure is likely to be low and his pulse rate high. That wasn’t the case with Mayweather as evidenced by the Nevada State Athletic Commission medical data sheet.

Mayweather’s blood pressure was 118/84. In other words, his systolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is contracting and pumping blood out) was 118. And his diastolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is resting between beats) was 84. That’s normal for a professional athlete.

Mayweather’s pulse rate – 60 sitting and 66 standing – was also normal.

There is no way a sane person will believe Froid dehydrated after all this, especially when he is coming into the biggest fight of his life. He had all the means to keep his body in check. All this is an obvious cover up for masking peds.

Hence,


What did Floyd Mayweather, Lance Armstong, Mark McGuire, Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds have in common?

PEDS

Case closed

[ADP02]

First of all, I do want to say I respect you and I'm happy that we've never gotten much into any name calling or any other immature banter.

Secondly, I disagree that you have proven anything.

I've already shown evidence that the symptoms of chronic dehydration may appear with as little as 2-3 percent of total body water.

Since we are talking about chronic dehydration, we have to begin with his natural weight. If he weighed 150.5 one month before the fight, when training camp was on, It's easy to believe his natural weight is in the least 151 and perhaps more.

He obviously didn't rehydrate to his natural body weight in that time. I think that's clear since you always post that his 30 day weight was 150.5, and he rehydrated to 149. Furthermore, it is completely possible that he felt weak at 149 when he was continuing to go down, and strong at 149 when he was rehydrating back toward normal weight.

I listed some of the symptoms of chronic dehydration. Some of them he fit, one according to the NSAC he didn't, and the others we both have no idea of.

It is completely possible that he experienced chronic dehydration. I don't know how else to put it to you. If we need to agree to disagree on this, that is fine.

The thing is that you don't want to move past the dehydration issue into the PED issue. Honestly, I think enough has been said about this issue altogether. No one is going to convince anyone, and I don't have a problem with that. I think it's time to let this issue die.

What is chronic dehydration? You do not seem to know.

Definition: medical : continuing or occurring again and again for a long time

Can you give us other examples in the past where Floyd had this issue?


What does chronic dehydration have to do with Floyd being severely dehydtrated to the point that an IV was required? NOTHING

Chronic or acute just means: "happened often" or "current" medical condition. In other words, that does not assess whether the person is mildly dehydrated or severely dehydrated or somewhere in between.


Floyd's weight was comparable to his other weigh in weights including 30 days, and weigh in. Yet no IVs in those fights?

Floyd fight night weight was 149 and Floyd said that he was "extremely strong physically" at that weight. That is all you need to know.
Weighin 146 + 1.5 litres = 149.3.
Weighin 146 + 1.0 litres = 148.2.
Then Floyd ate a lot and I'm sure he drank too! So Floyd did not need an IV.

There no drastic weight changes for Floyd. So Floyd did not need an IV.




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Manny's weigh in 145. Fight night 152. That's 7 lbs difference.
Floyd's weigh in 146. Fight night 149. That's 3 lbs difference.

Maybe Manny required an IV too?

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Here is Floyd discussing and boasting that he weighed in less than Manny on fight night. Floyd said even after eating a lot he only gained 3lbs!!!!! What? So you still think he needed an IV?

Man, forget about it. The jig was already up but now we just put the nail in the coffin. Floyd was not even dehydrated when he had that IV!!!



Floyd: Manny was better than I expected. Yes. He is small but all his weight ....

Floyd: Going into the fight Manny weighed 152, I weighed 149.

Reporter: The night of the fight?

Floyd: Yes the night of the fight Manny weighed more than me on the night of the fight.

Floyd: Nevada Commission checked my weight. I was 149 and I ate a lot.

Reporter: Did you know before the fight that he was heavier?

Floyd: I found out after that he weighed more than me.

Reporter: He weighed 145 and you weighed in at 146?

Floyd: Yes, I put on 3 pounds.


Floyd: at 3:30 "Manny can see that I'm strong. Strong don't just have to do with hitting hard. A guy can hit hard but not be strong. Physical strong. When we were tussling, Manny can see that I was extremely strong. I'm going to use everything to my advantage. Always."








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[travestyny]

What is chronic dehydration? You do not seem to know.

Definition: medical : continuing or occurring again and again for a long time

Can you give us other examples in the past where Floyd had this issue?


What does chronic dehydration have to do with Floyd being severely dehydtrated to the point that an IV was required? NOTHING

Chronic or acute just means: "happened often" or "current" medical condition. In other words, that does not assess whether the person is mildly dehydrated or severely dehydrated or somewhere in between.


Floyd's weight was comparable to his other weigh in weights including 30 days, and weigh in. Yet no IVs in those fights?

Floyd fight night weight was 149 and Floyd said that he was "extremely strong physically" at that weight. That is all you need to know.
Weighin 146 + 1.5 litres = 149.3.
Weighin 146 + 1.0 litres = 148.2.
Then Floyd ate a lot and I'm sure he drank too! So Floyd did not need an IV.

There no drastic weight changes for Floyd. So Floyd did not need an IV.




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Manny's weigh in 145. Fight night 152. That's 7 lbs difference.
Floyd's weigh in 146. Fight night 149. That's 3 lbs difference.

Maybe Manny required an IV too?

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Here is Floyd discussing and boasting that he weighed in less than Manny on fight night. Floyd said even after eating a lot he only gained 3lbs!!!!! What? So you still think he needed an IV?

Man, forget about it. The jig was already up but now we just put the nail in the coffin. Floyd was not even dehydrated when he had that IV!!!



Floyd: Manny was better than I expected. Yes. He is small but all his weight ....

Floyd: Going into the fight Manny weighed 152, I weighed 149.

Reporter: The night of the fight?

Floyd: Yes the night of the fight Manny weighed more than me on the night of the fight.

Floyd: Nevada Commission checked my weight. I was 149 and I ate a lot.

Reporter: Did you know before the fight that he was heavier?

Floyd: I found out after that he weighed more than me.

Reporter: He weighed 145 and you weighed in at 146?

Floyd: Yes, I put on 3 pounds.


Floyd: at 3:30 "Manny can see that I'm strong. Strong don't just have to do with hitting hard. A guy can hit hard but not be strong. Physical strong. When we were tussling, Manny can see that I was extremely strong. I'm going to use everything to my advantage. Always."

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Chronic: persisting for a long time or constantly recurring.

At what point did he become dehydrated? You are a know it all. Perhaps you can tell me? It should be clear that a person can be at a stable weight and experience chronic dehydration because they are depriving their body of rehydrating to it's natural weight over a long period of time.

When did he begin training camp? Could he have been dehydrated throughout training camp?

The simple answer is yes being that he is in training for a fight. In fact:

"Researchers also estimate that 50 to 75 percent of Americans suffer from chronic dehydration and don’t realize it."
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/s...hydration.html

Does he have any symptoms that arise due to chronic dehydration?

Allergies - Yes
Kidney problem - being that his urine was dark, seems like it.
Fatigue - ?
Joint Pain and Stiffness - ?
Premature aging- ?
Constipation - ?

I don't have to list them all. I already went through this.

What does chronic dehydration have to do with severe dehydration? I don't think that question is relevant. However, what is relevant is that a TUE can be issued for chronic or acute dehydration.

a. The Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method in question is needed to treat an acute or chronic medical condition, such that the Athlete would experience a significant impairment to health if the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method were to be withheld.

If the doctors found him to suffer from chronic dehydration and felt that he had the possibility of suffering significant impairment to his health after a 12 round professional boxing match, that would be reason enough for USADA to grant the TUE for saline and vitamin C.

Your discussion of his weight - not relevant
Your discussion of how much he rehydrated - not relevant. He didn't rehydrate to his natural weight. I already explained that he could feel weak on his way DOWN from 149 and feel much better on his way UP from 149 after rehydrating and eating.

You say that he didn't need an IV because he rehydrated to 149. Do you realize the rehydration process included the IV?

The point is, you are stuck on severe dehydration, but you do not take into account that the doctors could have found him to suffer from chronic dehydration, which you have zero proof against (it's also my opinion that you have no proof against acute dehydration, but have at it).

And finally, you have no proof of PED use even if you were somehow able to prove he was not severely dehydrated (which again, is not the only condition in which a TUE is granted).

Do you understand now, or do I have to explain more?

[tangalog2200]

You seriously do not know what chronic dehydration means. It would mean that Floyd has been suffering from this condition for a long time. You know that is not the case. Or maybe that Floyd has been using this IV excuse for a while. Could be. Although, his prefight form only says "Allergies". But lets be real. Floyd's weight is relatively very stable in his fights at these weights.


You are bringing up (listing) symptoms not the state of dehydration. Like I said, Floyd doesn't have chronic dehydration. If he did, we can check his previous fights weights and pre-fight forms. Did he lie in all his forms?


You want to push it up to 152. I have no problem with that but lets be honest here. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days!!! There was no wicked downturn at any point.

Still, Floyd weighed in at 146. He was holding probably a 1.5 litre bottle of water at the weigh in. If he finished drinking the whole bottle, that would mean that he drank 3.3lbs of water. If Floyd drank 1 litre that would mean 2.2lbs. So even at 152, Floyd was still well below the limit and one may call it MILD dehydration. BUT its NOT severe dehydration. See my point?

As you can see with my numbers (1 liter = 2.2lbs), Floyd can rehydrate by drinking and also eating his way back to fight night weight easily!!!


Here you go. Even in other fights, its relatively stable.








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noticed that you guys have been having a feast on the subject of dehydration, chronic dehydration, extreme dehydration etc etc...and that's ok....

but while just skimming over the exchanges, some questions came to me;

have floyd been beset of such dehydration problems before? and how often?

if fighters were burdened with such dehydration problems, what good then are the s&c coaches? s&c coaches must be able to prevent dehydration at any stage of a fighter's camp....

[Spoon23]

noticed that you guys have been having a feast on the subject of dehydration, chronic dehydration, extreme dehydration etc etc...and that's ok....

but while just skimming over the exchanges, some questions came to me;

have floyd been beset of such dehydration problems before? and how often?

if fighters were burdened with such dehydration problems, what good then are the s&c coaches? s&c coaches must be able to prevent dehydration at any stage of a fighter's camp....

S&c coach Alex Ariza?

Yeah Froid was on record praising Ariza for making him hydrated at all times.

That's why it's puzzling a day before the fight he got severely dehydrated. How can you praise someone who he says did a good job, but caused him to be severely dehydrated close to the biggest fight of his life lol



Floyd is rehydrated thanks to Alex Ariza

Floyd says @ 3:23 "Alex Ariza makes sure I'm hydrated.




BOOM! Red flag!

[travestyny]

"A day before the fight I was extremely dehydrated... [Alex Ariza] made sure I wasn't dehydrated. He showed me how to rehydrate myself like an athlete should rehydrate himself, in a professional manner."

It's easy to understand what he was saying. He was dehydrated. Alex Ariza taught him how to rehydrate so that he didn't go into the fight dehydrated.

Clearly, Alex Ariza didn't teach him how to drink water, so it's clear what he means when he says Ariza showed him how to rehydrated like a professional.

[Rath]

"A day before the fight I was extremely dehydrated... [Alex Ariza] made sure I wasn't dehydrated. He showed me how to rehydrate myself like an athlete should rehydrate himself, in a professional manner."

It's easy to understand what he was saying. He was dehydrated. Alex Ariza taught him how to rehydrate so that he didn't go into the fight dehydrated.

Clearly, Alex Ariza didn't teach him how to drink water, so it's clear what he means when he says Ariza showed him how to rehydrated like a professional.

Alex Ariza as a strength and conditioning coach made sure floyd would be dehydrated so that alex can teach floyd how to re hydrate like a professional.

if floyd was not dehydrated then how could alex teach him how to re hydrate like a professional?

genius floyd fan and his logic

classic LOL