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1. ...why are you deflecting away to some other athlete and some other commission in some other state?
Because apparently you don't know how the process works. Instead of assuming or listening to Hauser, you should use your brain and do some research. You might learn something.
USADA stayed quite.
What's your point? If they were paid off, they would have stayed quiet forever. And your boy Manny messed up with NSAC so don't see what that has to do with Floyd.
Did USADA come back and say, well actually Floyd got an advantage"? No. They went and shoot Manny down for not letting the NSAC know about the injury even though Floyd had not filled out that same form correctly. Did USADA bring up that form of Floyd's? No! They just continued shooting Manny's team down.
Laughable. MANNY let Manny down. It's not USADA's job to talk to NSAC on behalf of Manny. Are you seriously trying to blame USADA for that? I've heard it all now. Pathetic.
2. Maybe its the 5th time I say it to you but unless USADA is involved, whatever we are talking about is NOT in the contract, right? So Floyd has teamed up with USADA just so that Floyd can use these loopholes!
He wanted to take drug testing for the loopholes, then why did he accept the condition that TUEs be revealed? How much bull**** is going to come out of your mouth? There is no loophole. If he tests positive, it is revealed, point blank.
Does it matter that you are deflecting by saying that its part of USADA's code so not Floyd's fault? NO!!! Floyd was still allowed to do that!
How dare you say that I'm deflecting when you initially implied it was FLOYD AND USADA who tried to put the language into the contract, and then you had to back off. If deflecting=revealing the truth, ok. You are really pathetic.
I said this already .... there is no transparency. Even after the questioning, USADA/Floyd has not come out with the information to squash the IV scandal. Actually, they have not even used the words "severely dehydrated". Neither can you!!! Yet you deflect and say that we are wrong.
Pacquaio negotiated for more transparency and it was granted. They even revealed the TUE and IV, though they were paid off millions of dollars. Mayweather must be wondering how well spent that money was.
Was it acute or chronic dehydration? That is what the code says. Still waiting for your overwhelming proof that it wasn't.
3. What you are saying here does not make any sense!!!
So now you mean to tell me that there is a sign on their backs that say "I'm the bad guy"? More deflection. I explained this statement the first time you brought it up. I even gave you an example. You still deflect.
hahahahahaha. Really? So wait...let MEEEE get this straight. You explained something by saying mayyyybe there were some bad people that took money within USADA, but other people didn't. This is the height of speculation and reaching. You have no proof of any of this. I'm really beginning to think you are quite dense.
Going back to the examples: Lance, like Floyd, gave people money. Lance and his fans called that a conspiracy theory just like you. Did they catch the "bad guys" because of all the millions given away? No! The point is that Lance gave the money to the right people who would squash down any PEDs issue that came up whenever they can.
Oh, so somehow you have proof Lance did this, and that means Floyd did it, too. Well thank you, Sherlock Holmes. I think you cracked the case! Maybe Floyd gave money to the bad people within USADA, but the millions of dollars he paid to those high level bad guys wasn't enough for them to orchestrate the proper time to collect samples so that he wouldn't have to BEAT tests, TRICK USADA, and avoid revelation of the TUE and IV. Yep, I got it. Sherlock has cracked this case wide open! Floyd gave no instruction when he forked over millions of dollars. Just gave it to one bad guy and said "make it work." Yep. You're a smarty!
In the Lance Armstrong case, USADA was quoted as saying that its not ethical to get money from Lance's representatives. Well, that is what is going on with Floyd.
4. That is the way Memo was doing it before too!!! Plus, he is not going to come out and say "Yes I'm giving them the best undetectable PEDs" or "I told them the best way to mask PEDs using an IV"
Here is part of that conversation. Anyhow, you read it too, right? Ariza and Memo BOTH admitted that it was concerning Floyd's "power punching"
""Alex and I, you know, we met recently. He consulted with me as the strength conditioner for Floyd for this coming fight. So we sat down and we had a good conversation, very long...one thing that we discussed a lot is about presenting power punching for Floyd."
Now go check out what Memo would say about
SPIEGEL: What kind of relationship did you have with your athletes?
Heredia: Business ties. It was all about levels and dosing. I rarely spoke with Marion Jones. It was done through her coaches.
ahahahaha. Wow. So let's see. You actually have quotations on this one. Talking about punching power=talking about levels and dosing? Talk about a quantum leap.
5. So like the other areas, your response just proved you have no idea what you are talking about.
You really are a piece of work. Please tell me that you think you proved Memo worked for Floyd. He needed Memo to cheat a test that he paid millions of dollars to cheat. Makes perfect sense.
6. Burden of proof? You keep on losing at every point you make. As far as Floyd is concerned, there is good evidence to suggest that Floyd was not severely dehydrated. The commission does not need to the same type of evidence that a court of law requires and even then, courts have put people in jail with just circumstantial evidence. Go watch a few episodes of Dateline and you will know what I mean.
It really doesn't matter what kind of evidence is needed since you have none. Losing, say you? I think it's already proven that you and Pacquaio's whole team has lost in more ways than one.
As far as what I said, the NSAC says this:
"The Commission need not follow the rules of evidence that a court must follow. All evidence that the Commission determines to be relevant and submitted in accordance with the requirements of this chapter is admissible. If the Commission determines that the evidence is the sort of evidence on which responsible persons are accustomed to rely in the conduct of serious affairs, the Commission may use that evidence alone to support a finding of fact."
AND NSAC LISTENED TO THE EVIDENCE AND AGREED FLOYD DID NOTHING WRONG. THANKS FOR PUTTING THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN!
Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated. You have been avoiding the initial topic and deflecting. I'm sure you will continue too!
Never avoided anything because it's been terribly easy to trip you up. Your NSAC physician "proof" went down the drain long ago. You have no evidence what so ever, yet you claim I have to prove that he was dehydrated? The proof is USADA granted the TUE, NSAC stated he did nothing wrong, the physician gave him the IV. You have a pulse and blood pressure from an organization that has been proven not to care about dehydration AND ULTIMATELY SIDED WITH HIM. It's a wrap.
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Because apparently you don't know how the process works. Instead of assuming or listening to Hauser, you should use your brain and do some research. You might learn something.
USADA stayed quite.
What's your point? If they were paid off, they would have stayed quiet forever. And your boy Manny messed up with NSAC so don't see what that has to do with Floyd.
Did USADA come back and say, well actually Floyd got an advantage"? No. They went and shoot Manny down for not letting the NSAC know about the injury even though Floyd had not filled out that same form correctly. Did USADA bring up that form of Floyd's? No! They just continued shooting Manny's team down.
Laughable. MANNY let Manny down. It's not USADA's job to talk to NSAC on behalf of Manny. Are you seriously trying to blame USADA for that? I've heard it all now. Pathetic.
2. Maybe its the 5th time I say it to you but unless USADA is involved, whatever we are talking about is NOT in the contract, right? So Floyd has teamed up with USADA just so that Floyd can use these loopholes!
He wanted to take drug testing for the loopholes, then why did he accept the condition that TUEs be revealed? How much bull**** is going to come out of your mouth? There is no loophole. If he tests positive, it is revealed, point blank.
Does it matter that you are deflecting by saying that its part of USADA's code so not Floyd's fault? NO!!! Floyd was still allowed to do that!
How dare you say that I'm deflecting when you initially implied it was FLOYD AND USADA who tried to put the language into the contract, and then you had to back off. If deflecting=revealing the truth, ok. You are really pathetic.
I said this already .... there is no transparency. Even after the questioning, USADA/Floyd has not come out with the information to squash the IV scandal. Actually, they have not even used the words "severely dehydrated". Neither can you!!! Yet you deflect and say that we are wrong.
Pacquaio negotiated for more transparency and it was granted. They even revealed the TUE and IV, though they were paid off millions of dollars. Mayweather must be wondering how well spent that money was.
Was it acute or chronic dehydration? That is what the code says. Still waiting for your overwhelming proof that it wasn't.
3. What you are saying here does not make any sense!!!
So now you mean to tell me that there is a sign on their backs that say "I'm the bad guy"? More deflection. I explained this statement the first time you brought it up. I even gave you an example. You still deflect.
hahahahahaha. Really? So wait...let MEEEE get this straight. You explained something by saying mayyyybe there were some bad people that took money within USADA, but other people didn't. This is the height of speculation and reaching. You have no proof of any of this. I'm really beginning to think you are quite dense.
Going back to the examples: Lance, like Floyd, gave people money. Lance and his fans called that a conspiracy theory just like you. Did they catch the "bad guys" because of all the millions given away? No! The point is that Lance gave the money to the right people who would squash down any PEDs issue that came up whenever they can.
Oh, so somehow you have proof Lance did this, and that means Floyd did it, too. Well thank you, Sherlock Holmes. I think you cracked the case! Maybe Floyd gave money to the bad people within USADA, but the millions of dollars he paid to those high level bad guys wasn't enough for them to orchestrate the proper time to collect samples so that he wouldn't have to BEAT tests, TRICK USADA, and avoid revelation of the TUE and IV. Yep, I got it. Sherlock has cracked this case wide open! Floyd gave no instruction when he forked over millions of dollars. Just gave it to one bad guy and said "make it work." Yep. You're a smarty!
In the Lance Armstrong case, USADA was quoted as saying that its not ethical to get money from Lance's representatives. Well, that is what is going on with Floyd.
4. That is the way Memo was doing it before too!!! Plus, he is not going to come out and say "Yes I'm giving them the best undetectable PEDs" or "I told them the best way to mask PEDs using an IV"
Here is part of that conversation. Anyhow, you read it too, right? Ariza and Memo BOTH admitted that it was concerning Floyd's "power punching"
""Alex and I, you know, we met recently. He consulted with me as the strength conditioner for Floyd for this coming fight. So we sat down and we had a good conversation, very long...one thing that we discussed a lot is about presenting power punching for Floyd."
Now go check out what Memo would say about
SPIEGEL: What kind of relationship did you have with your athletes?
Heredia: Business ties. It was all about levels and dosing. I rarely spoke with Marion Jones. It was done through her coaches.
ahahahaha. Wow. So let's see. You actually have quotations on this one. Talking about punching power=talking about levels and dosing? Talk about a quantum leap.
5. So like the other areas, your response just proved you have no idea what you are talking about.
You really are a piece of work. Please tell me that you think you proved Memo worked for Floyd. He needed Memo to cheat a test that he paid millions of dollars to cheat. Makes perfect sense.
6. Burden of proof? You keep on losing at every point you make. As far as Floyd is concerned, there is good evidence to suggest that Floyd was not severely dehydrated. The commission does not need to the same type of evidence that a court of law requires and even then, courts have put people in jail with just circumstantial evidence. Go watch a few episodes of Dateline and you will know what I mean.
It really doesn't matter what kind of evidence is needed since you have none. Losing, say you? I think it's already proven that you and Pacquaio's whole team has lost in more ways than one.
As far as what I said, the NSAC says this:
"The Commission need not follow the rules of evidence that a court must follow. All evidence that the Commission determines to be relevant and submitted in accordance with the requirements of this chapter is admissible. If the Commission determines that the evidence is the sort of evidence on which responsible persons are accustomed to rely in the conduct of serious affairs, the Commission may use that evidence alone to support a finding of fact."
AND NSAC LISTENED TO THE EVIDENCE AND AGREED FLOYD DID NOTHING WRONG. THANKS FOR PUTTING THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN!
Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated. You have been avoiding the initial topic and deflecting. I'm sure you will continue too!
Never avoided anything because it's been terribly easy to trip you up. Your NSAC physician "proof" went down the drain long ago. You have no evidence what so ever, yet you claim I have to prove that he was dehydrated? The proof is USADA granted the TUE, NSAC stated he did nothing wrong, the physician gave him the IV. You have a pulse and blood pressure from an organization that has been proven not to care about dehydration AND ULTIMATELY SIDED WITH HIM. It's a wrap.
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I'll leave you with this parting shot:
Pacquiao said: “We wanted a shot for numbing the shoulder but we respect the decision of the Commission it was getting better and better but was still not 100 per cent.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing...eather-5628491
"Pacquiao said, “No, I don’t have pain or injury before the fight. I just want to make sure that whatever happened, I’m still there. I’m not saying I’m not 100 percent condition.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/boxing...ght-1.11350596
When you want to discuss lying and cheating the system, look no further than this. Now THIS is what you call undeniable proof of a man who lies and slithers. The joke of a man that you squirm around all over the place to protect. Don't get me wrong...a hell of a boxer. But to the best of this generation, he is only #48
And that makes me very, very happy! 
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