who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

Floyd with the help of USADA tried to... put in the contract that Floyd and USADA could have hid the information from Manny and NSAC if Floyd got caught using PEDs and if Floyd was to use an IV and or if Floyd would request for a retroactive TUE. Why put that in the contract unless you had the intention to do just that?

- Floyd and USADA wanted to include the above statements in the contract???????

If you follow the sequence of events and think about what Floyd/USADA tried to put in the contract and what they did put in the contract it makes you say that it was all premeditated!!!

The word or statement does not have to be in the contract itself. All they had to do is point to it and say that that is the code that we are following.

Floyd could use USADA as a shield to do shady activity
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Floyd delayed giving urine on multiple occassions, that we are aware of. Once because of this IV scandal and the other time was because we found out because HBO was taping when USADA went over to get a sample and Floyd let him wait for 5+ hours.

...to beat CIR testing, what cheaters do is micro dose. Delaying as much as possible. Masking with what Floyd used was another trick...

A test result may say that Floyd passed the test but how they came to the conclusion the NSAC does not get that kind of information.

Finally, as stated before, Floyd also had extra insurance in his policy by getting Memo Heredia.

Keep typing. I love how your inconsistencies, ignorance, and weakness are beginning to show.

1. NSAC would be informed if Floyd fails a test. Precedence proves that, so your statement is inaccurate.

2. You stated many times that FLOYD AND USADA tried to add something into the contract that could hide the IV and TUE. Then, when I revealed that it was part of USADA's code, you backed off and said it was only meant that they would point to that code. Obviously USADA would use their code, but how does that implicate Floyd in any way? Did he write any part of the code? You tried to weasel out!

3. You mention numerous times that Floyd and USADA would work together to do immoral activity, yet you also mention that floyd would try to beat their drug tests and trick USADA by making the DCO wait for urine. WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO BEAT AND TRICK THEM IF THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER? Does that make any sense? I would expect that if he paid USADA millions of dollars, he wouldn't have to beat their tests and trick them. You yourself mentioned that they would only have to say that he passed the tests. Your position is illogical!

4. No proof at all that Mayweather hired Memo. They took a photo together, and it wasn't even shot by paparazzi. You are flat out wrong!

Oh, I forgot to add...
5. You said that Mayweather struggles to get UP to 147, yet you have been posting that he was at 150 a month before the Pacquaio fight. lol

Are you starting to feel like you have no idea what the **** you are talking about? You should be feeling that way.

[ADP02]

You've basically said the same thing over and over. If you have proof, why don't you send it to Arum or Hauser. If you won't listen to me that you have absolutely nothing, then maybe you will listen to them...?

You said he struggles to make it up to 147, yet you showed that he was at 150 months out. You have the nerve to question anyone's math skills??? Even you must admit that what you said was idiotic.

You clearly do not train. Right?

Floyd's walking weight more than likely is somewhere in the 150s. Floyd trains somewhat even in his "off season". So its even possible that if Floyd does no training that he can go even higher but that is unlike Floyd (not his style).

When you are training, you are burning up more calories. That drives ones weight down. When Floyd or even Manny says that (struggling to make 147), it doesn't mean that they can't come in over 147 or even 150. It just means that they must eat much more than they regularly do to get at that point or maintain the weight. For some, again like Manny and to a lesser extent Floyd(he is bigger), it can become a struggle. So if they are not careful with their eating (caloric intake) they may actually come in much lower than 147. Again, more likely for Manny but Floyd is saying it can be a struggle for him too.


Just to correct your other statement:
In my posts, basically I point out over and over again 7 or 8 points where most of them are facts/evidence that points to Floyd NOT being severely dehydrated. You on the other hand have yet to point out evidence that makes you say that Floyd was clearly severely dehydrated. NOT EVEN Floyd nor USADA have clearly said that!!!

[ADP02]

Keep typing. I love how your inconsistencies, ignorance, and weakness are beginning to show.

1. NSAC would be informed if Floyd fails a test. Precedence proves that, so your statement is inaccurate.

2. You stated many times that FLOYD AND USADA tried to add something into the contract that could hide the IV and TUE. Then, when I revealed that it was part of USADA's code, you backed off and said it was only meant that they would point to that code. Obviously USADA would use their code, but how does that implicate Floyd in any way? Did he write any part of the code? You tried to weasel out!

3. You mention numerous times that Floyd and USADA would work together to do immoral activity, yet you also mention that floyd would try to beat their drug tests and trick USADA by making the DCO wait for urine. WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO BEAT AND TRICK THEM IF THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER? Does that make any sense? I would expect that if he paid USADA millions of dollars, he wouldn't have to beat their tests and trick them. You yourself mentioned that they would only have to say that he passed the tests. Your position is illogical!

4. No proof at all that Mayweather hired Memo. They took a photo together, and it wasn't even shot by paparazzi. You are flat out wrong!

Oh, I forgot to add...
5. You said that Mayweather struggles to get UP to 147, yet you have been posting that he was at 150 a month before the Pacquaio fight. lol

Are you starting to feel like you have no idea what the **** you are talking about? You should be feeling that way.

I said that I would discuss all points one at a time since you keep on going all over the place JUST TO DEFLECT. Actually, you are still doing that!

We are basically still on point 1(was Floyd severely dehydrated?).
I have 7-8 points that I made that show that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. You have almost nothing but deflections.


but just to make you happy, I will divert to the other points.

1) How do you know that the NSAC would be informed? USADA did not let NSAC know about Floyd's IV until AFTER the fight. AFTER Floyd requested and not before. What if Floyd never made a request? Would we still be waiting? Who knows .... (check out the wording on the contract) but the point is that USADA does not let NSAC know more than it has to.
If the contract clearly says it does not have to let the NSAC know then Floyd Mayweather and USADA could have kept it shutdown. They had the legal right. That is what Hauser complained about.


2) It needs to be in the contract for it to be legit. You should understand that by now. NEXT!!!

3) I explained all this already. USADA I'm sure have a lot of good people. Most companies do. The problem is not the majority, its the crooked ones. I even explained it to you by giving you an example.
Lance Armstrong still had to get a retroactive prescription for the prohibited substance even though he had lots of people wrapped around his finger.
Floyd still had to get a retroactive TUE for the prohibited method that he used. You need a better explanation?

4) Memo Heredia: Ariza was quoted saying that he is using Memo as a consultant for the Floyd vs Manny fight.

5) I have a post just above this one on this point. Read it .....


Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.



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[SUBZER0ED]

We all have our su****ions, but we have no documented proof of actual PED use by these three, so this thread is based on conjecture only.

[travestyny]

I said that I would discuss all points one at a time since you keep on going all over the place JUST TO DEFLECT. Actually, you are still doing that!

We are basically still on point 1(was Floyd severely dehydrated?).
I have 7-8 points that I made that show that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. You have almost nothing but deflections.


but just to make you happy, I will divert to the other points.

1) How do you know that the NSAC would be informed? USADA did not let NSAC know about Floyd's IV until AFTER the fight. AFTER Floyd requested and not before. What if Floyd never made a request? Would we still be waiting? Who knows .... but the point is that USADA does not let NSAC know more than it has to. If the contract clearly says it does not have to let the NSAC know then Floyd Mayweather and USADA could have kept it shutdown. They had the legal right. That is what Hauser complained about.


2) It needs to be in the contract for it to be legit. You should understand that by now. NEXT!!!

3) I explained all this already. USADA I'm sure have a lot of good people. Most companies do. The problem is not the majority, its the crooked ones. I even explained it to you by giving you an example.
Lance Armstrong still had to get a retroactive prescription for the prohibited substance even though he had lots of people wrapped around his finger.
Floyd still had to get a retroactive TUE for the prohibited method that he used. You need a better explanation?

4) Memo Heredia: Ariza was quoted saying that he is using Memo as a consultant for the Floyd vs Manny fight.

5) I have a post just above this one on this point. Read it .....


Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.



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Absolutely everything that you just wrote was bull****. Every single thing, to the point that I'm not sure you can even believe any of it. You've just been trying to weasel out of everything.

1. You mentioned no one would know if he got caught using PEDs. I said this can be proven false by precedence. What happened when USADA found Morales failed a test and Hauser accused USADA of going into damage mode instead of revealing it?

"Both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test. The results had also already been reported to WADA by sample number directly by the laboratory."

Again, your boy Hauser being proven wrong.

2. "It" needs to be in the contract? The point is you said FLOYD was responsible, along with USADA, for putting the language in the contract. It was a part of USADA's code and Floyd had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, it wasn't directly put into the contract. Their code was referenced. Hauser either intentionally or just from ignorance made it seem like Floyd and USADA explicitly put that language into the contract and you ate it up and then tried to weasel out.

3. So now you are sure that USADA has a lot of good people and only some of them are crooked. Floyd pays them millions of dollars to cheat and they can't separate the crooked people from the others? They can't even tell the "good ones" when to show up to collect? This is laughable. Please work harder to strengthen your conspiracy theory.

4. Memo was working with some of Floyd's guys and Alex was talking to him about Floyd. Memo went on record saying he would be willing if Floyd wanted to work with him because 2 S&C coaches would be better than the 4 that Pacquaio was using. Does that sound like he was hired to work with Floyd? So you based this on him having a conversation with Ariza? You failed again.

5. This is also laughable. If he doesn't eat a lot while training, he would dip down much lower than 147? He was 150 a month out and he must worry that he can get up to 147? lol. You are falling apart, buddy. Tell me more.

Clearly, all bull**** from you. And as for your last statement, learn about burden of proof. I sent you the definition. You do realize you have no proof, right? Have you proven it wasn't a chronic medical condition? Have you proven what was the guideline for it to be considered acute? Your NSAC vital sign check doesn't amount to anything.

Going to keep trying to spin things, or do you give up?

[Rath]

I think if we ranked things that made us think one was guilty of PED use it would be:

1. Refusing to take test
2. TRT video/IV
3. Back acne

no matter how many times explained this, genius floyd fans will continue to use their lies. and to think that gay Dunn is not a new poster.

1. Pac did not refuse to take the test but ask for cut off off date.
genius floyd fans contention, then it will no longer be called Floyd style olympic RANODOM drug test. then all of a sudden USADA said "we don't conduct random testing.

It was floyd who refused to take (VADA) test entirely.

2. Caught on video making USADA wait for 6 hours just to collect pee sample.
the same strategy Lance sued with drug testing agency back then.

USADA said they deemed Floyd was dehydrated when they came to his house and Floyd could not give enough urine sample.

Why then did the USADA staff waited 6 hours to collect it just like before?

or why then did they not say floyd was dehydrated then when he can not provide enough urine sample?

3. Since that video of him about making USADA wait for 6 hours exposed his cheating ways, he never had any video of his USADA random drug test ever again after that.

4. was caught with IV in his veins even if he was not dehydrated.

5 TUE that was granted 21 days after the fight.

6. only two athletes were known to have use TUE lance and floyd

things that made us think one was guilty of PED


SHAME ON YOU you are worst than an animal Pac said

[Rath]

I said that I would discuss all points one at a time since you keep on going all over the place JUST TO DEFLECT. Actually, you are still doing that!

We are basically still on point 1(was Floyd severely dehydrated?).
I have 7-8 points that I made that show that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. You have almost nothing but deflections.


but just to make you happy, I will divert to the other points.

1) How do you know that the NSAC would be informed? USADA did not let NSAC know about Floyd's IV until AFTER the fight. AFTER Floyd requested and not before. What if Floyd never made a request? Would we still be waiting? Who knows .... (check out the wording on the contract) but the point is that USADA does not let NSAC know more than it has to.
If the contract clearly says it does not have to let the NSAC know then Floyd Mayweather and USADA could have kept it shutdown. They had the legal right. That is what Hauser complained about.


2) It needs to be in the contract for it to be legit. You should understand that by now. NEXT!!!

3) I explained all this already. USADA I'm sure have a lot of good people. Most companies do. The problem is not the majority, its the crooked ones. I even explained it to you by giving you an example.
Lance Armstrong still had to get a retroactive prescription for the prohibited substance even though he had lots of people wrapped around his finger.
Floyd still had to get a retroactive TUE for the prohibited method that he used. You need a better explanation?

4) Memo Heredia: Ariza was quoted saying that he is using Memo as a consultant for the Floyd vs Manny fight.

5) I have a post just above this one on this point. Read it .....


Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.



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Besides lame spin and pathetic deflection/diversion technique employed by genius floyd fans, the also employ gang up style replies. where 3-5 genius floyd fans all replying to you at the same time to confuse you and hope you make mistakes.

They also would employ run around the bush, says same thing every time just rephrasing it hoping you would get confused and post some mistakes and then used that mistakes to discredit everything you said.

if all these fail to work, they will do three things.

1. make kindergarten insults

2. end up with " i don't know asked them"

3. leave the conversation/thread, come back 4 days to a week later and spew their lies all over again as if you did not have that conversation happened earlier.

[ADP02]

Besides lame spin and pathetic deflection/diversion technique employed by genius floyd fans, the also employ gang up style replies. where 3-5 genius floyd fans all replying to you at the same time to confuse you and hope you make mistakes.

They also would employ run around the bush, says same thing every time just rephrasing it hoping you would get confused and post some mistakes and then used that mistakes to discredit everything you said.

if all these fail to work, they will do three things.

1. make kindergarten insults

2. end up with " i don't know asked them"

3. leave the conversation/thread, come back 4 days to a week later and spew their lies all over again as if you did not have that conversation happened earlier.

True

He was going all over the place with his commenting. Appears to have been to deflect so I tried to then stick to one point but even with that he went all over the place.

[Spoon23]

We all have our su****ions, but we have no documented proof of actual PED use by these three, so this thread is based on conjecture only.

Nope, that's were you're wrong. There are factual evidences and proof Floyd got caught. Floyd failed tests, Floyd's low TE ratios. Floyd had to pay Pac a chunk of money not to disclose evidences of those failed tests facts.

Not to mention, fact that going into the may 2 fight he took illegal IVS, since only nsac can approve of those and were not notified at that given time. That's cheating going into the fight.

since, at that time he wasn't still approved by nsac. So technically he was going into the fight doing something illegal. Only after 3 weeks did nsac found out and just miraculously floyd was still given a TUE that should only have been issued before the action took place not after it has already been done. Corruption at it's finest.

Can't hide this stuff. Floyd has all the red flags and proof he cheated. It's just that he is protected in Vegas. You just have to discern what's right in front of you. Floyd the advocated of cleaner boxing is the biggest cheat of them all. The hypocrisy is what makes it even more hilarious.

Hence, the poll has it! Froid roid is the obvious choice.

[ADP02]

Absolutely everything that you just wrote was bull****. Every single thing, to the point that I'm not sure you can even believe any of it. You've just been trying to weasel out of everything.

1. You mentioned no one would know if he got caught using PEDs. I said this can be proven false by precedence. What happened when USADA found Morales failed a test and Hauser accused USADA of going into damage mode instead of revealing it?

"Both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test. The results had also already been reported to WADA by sample number directly by the laboratory."

Again, your boy Hauser being proven wrong.

2. "It" needs to be in the contract? The point is you said FLOYD was responsible, along with USADA, for putting the language in the contract. It was a part of USADA's code and Floyd had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, it wasn't directly put into the contract. Their code was referenced. Hauser either intentionally or just from ignorance made it seem like Floyd and USADA explicitly put that language into the contract and you ate it up and then tried to weasel out.

3. So now you are sure that USADA has a lot of good people and only some of them are crooked. Floyd pays them millions of dollars to cheat and they can't separate the crooked people from the others? They can't even tell the "good ones" when to show up to collect? This is laughable. Please work harder to strengthen your conspiracy theory.

4. Memo was working with some of Floyd's guys and Alex was talking to him about Floyd. Memo went on record saying he would be willing if Floyd wanted to work with him because 2 S&C coaches would be better than the 4 that Pacquaio was using. Does that sound like he was hired to work with Floyd? So you based this on him having a conversation with Ariza? You failed again.

5. This is also laughable. If he doesn't eat a lot while training, he would dip down much lower than 147? He was 150 a month out and he must worry that he can get up to 147? lol. You are falling apart, buddy. Tell me more.

Clearly, all bull**** from you. And as for your last statement, learn about burden of proof. I sent you the definition. You do realize you have no proof, right? Have you proven it wasn't a chronic medical condition? Have you proven what was the guideline for it to be considered acute? Your NSAC vital sign check doesn't amount to anything.

Going to keep trying to spin things, or do you give up?

1. We are talking about Floyd's IV? Then why are you deflecting away to some other athlete and some other commission in some other state?



USADA knew about what was going on when Manny wanted to get the approved pain killer. How did they know? Manny's team had asked USADA prior to this incident if it can be used. At that point in time when NSAC was denying it for Manny, did USADA say, "By the way, Floyd was actually allowed to be injected with IV which is on the prohibited list as well". NO USADA stayed quite.

Furthermore, When did the NSAC know about Floyd's IV? Before the IV? Before the fight? Close to 20 days AFTER the fight? They made sure that the NSAC couldn't have said no even if they wanted to. The NSAC even said "We do not want to put Floyd at a disadvantage by helping Manny" when it came to Manny. Did USADA come back and say, well actually Floyd got an advantage"? No. They went and shoot Manny down for not letting the NSAC know about the injury even though Floyd had not filled out that same form correctly. Did USADA bring up that form of Floyd's? No! They just continued shooting Manny's team down.


2. Maybe its the 5th time I say it to you but unless USADA is involved, whatever we are talking about is NOT in the contract, right? So Floyd has teamed up with USADA just so that Floyd can use these loopholes!

After 5+ years of Floyd giving the impression that it was Manny that was going to do something that was on the prohibited list prior to the fight, with USADA's help, it ended up being Floyd who did this. Does it matter that you are deflecting by saying that its part of USADA's code so not Floyd's fault? NO!!! Floyd was still allowed to do that!

I said this already .... there is no transparency. Even after the questioning, USADA/Floyd has not come out with the information to squash the IV scandal. Actually, they have not even used the words "severely dehydrated". Neither can you!!! Yet you deflect and say that we are wrong.


3. What you are saying here does not make any sense!!!

So now you mean to tell me that there is a sign on their backs that say "I'm the bad guy"? More deflection. I explained this statement the first time you brought it up. I even gave you an example. You still deflect.

Going back to the examples: Lance, like Floyd, gave people money. Lance and his fans called that a conspiracy theory just like you. Did they catch the "bad guys" because of all the millions given away? No! The point is that Lance gave the money to the right people who would squash down any PEDs issue that came up whenever they can.

In the Lance Armstrong case, USADA was quoted as saying that its not ethical to get money from Lance's representatives. Well, that is what is going on with Floyd.


4. That is the way Memo was doing it before too!!! Plus, he is not going to come out and say "Yes I'm giving them the best undetectable PEDs" or "I told them the best way to mask PEDs using an IV"

Here is part of that conversation. Anyhow, you read it too, right? Ariza and Memo BOTH admitted that it was concerning Floyd's "power punching"

""Alex and I, you know, we met recently. He consulted with me as the strength conditioner for Floyd for this coming fight. So we sat down and we had a good conversation, very long...one thing that we discussed a lot is about presenting power punching for Floyd."

Now go check out what Memo would say about
SPIEGEL: What kind of relationship did you have with your athletes?

Heredia: Business ties. It was all about levels and dosing. I rarely spoke with Marion Jones. It was done through her coaches.


5. So like the other areas, your response just proved you have no idea what you are talking about.



6. Burden of proof? You keep on losing at every point you make. As far as Floyd is concerned, there is good evidence to suggest that Floyd was not severely dehydrated. The commission does not need to the same type of evidence that a court of law requires and even then, courts have put people in jail with just circumstantial evidence. Go watch a few episodes of Dateline and you will know what I mean.

As far as what I said, the NSAC says this:
"The Commission need not follow the rules of evidence that a court must follow. All evidence that the Commission determines to be relevant and submitted in accordance with the requirements of this chapter is admissible. If the Commission determines that the evidence is the sort of evidence on which responsible persons are accustomed to rely in the conduct of serious affairs, the Commission may use that evidence alone to support a finding of fact."




Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated. You have been avoiding the initial topic and deflecting. I'm sure you will continue too!



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