who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

I have always said it...To see Cotto and Clottey looking godsmacked in the ring by a once 105lb fighter at 147lbs was all I needed. NO VADA etc.

CommonFckinSense.

#WarPeds

Well VADA wasn't around when those fights took place, but yes, most would agree with you.

For example; Toney from 160 and finishes Holyfield. both caught on the roids/peds... Roach be like, ''I don't know anything about roids nor did I train Toney.''

[Rath]

I have always said it...To see Cotto and Clottey looking godsmacked in the ring by a once 105lb fighter at 147lbs was all I needed. NO VADA etc.

CommonFckinSense.

#WarPeds

muricans need to cheat to win they have shown that time and time again.

when they see someone winning which they can not do themselves naturally, he must be cheating.

genius floyd fan and his logic

[JStill Unbiased]

Floyd's IV scandal is fishy, but one would be a complete fool not too admit that Manny's unusual jorney from 105-150 doesn't raise eyebrows. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Manny was found guilty to me the moment round 1 of negotiations with Floyd became diffucult after testing was brought up. His team freaked out and I'm sorry, they did not behave like they had a clean fighter.

[Spoon23]

Floyd's IV scandal is fishy, but one would be a complete fool not too admit that Manny's unusual jorney from 105-150 doesn't raise eyebrows. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Manny was found guilty to me the moment round 1 of negotiations with Floyd became diffucult after testing was brought up. His team freaked out and I'm sorry, they did not behave like they had a clean fighter.

Floyd and Pac grew in he same pace. More so Floyd. The difference is Floyd stayed Long in the amateurs, Pac didn't. He went pro at the ended age of 16. Faking his age.

Here's a graph. What Pac did, Armstrong and Floyd did. Nothing special. He just went to all divisions as he grew. An when he reached 147, he was always smaller than his opponents, he wasn't knocking out guys. He did it with volume punching. If you know boxing lower weight classes are suppose to be faster than heavier weight classes.




Floyd grew even more through the tail end of their career lol

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[Spoon23]

Froid is winning the cheating perception by a mile.

Shows Pac deserves a rematch. Not that I care, but it shows he didn't prove jack that night on may 2.

[GMAN SUPREME]

mayflower jr was flat out caught using IVs add his close relationship with usada who barley test their fighters and I say junior is the biggest cheat although it wouldn't shock me if all of them were on the juice.

[ADP02]

I've answered your question many times. I'm going to try to answer it again.

Let's start with your question in red. You are asking if Floyd should be investigated? For what and by whom? I imagine you mean by the NSAC. You just admit plenty of times yourself that the NSAC would allow a fighter who is dehydrated to fight. Why in the hell would they investigate him then? Do you expect that a fighter that wants to go along with a fight will declare himself to be dehydrated during the pre-fight physical? What would be the point if it's just up to him if he will go on with the fight or not, as you clearly stated. Do you expect NSAC would say "Ok, we will put it in our records that you are dehydrated but allow you to fight, so if this turns out badly, you can blame it all on us." That's an asinine assertion. It is clear that the NSAC does not care if a fighter is dehydrated, which I've shown many times and which you've also implied. Also, wouldn't it be NSAC putting themselves under fire if their so called physical that checks for the condition didn't come up with anything. Come on. It's ****** to even think they would investigate Floyd. Keep in mind that Floyd didn't use dehydration for an excuse about his performance. NO ONE WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS DEHYDRATION IF IT WASN'T FOR USADA, WHO COULD HAVE EASILY LOOKED THE OTHER WAY BUT (THOUGH THEY WERE PAID OFF APPARENTLY) SOMEHOW DECIDED NOT TO. Again, that makes no sense.

Your second question on proof that he was severely dehydrated:

You still seem to misunderstand who has the burden of proof. I've explained this over and over to you, but you don't get it. You just claim that you've proven he wasn't dehydrated with only one medical record to support your claim. Mind you, I've already listed a quotation that states dehydration doesn't always signal low blood pressure. Mind you, we both agree that even if the NSAC checks for dehydration, it doesn't do anything to note it. Did NSAC say he wasn't dehydrated? I'd like to read that quotation. You said they found nothing, but at the same time you said if they did, they would ask him if he could go on. Please find for me their statement that says he was not dehydrated. From your own logic, it's also possible that they found him to be dehydrated but allowed him to go on at his own behest. Do you disagree with that?

What you are still missing is that the DCO and USADA were actually present to witness his condition and they made the decision. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PAPERWORK, THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT YOU CAN PROVE HE WAS NOT DEHYDRATED.

However, if you have definitive proof (which you do not), how were you the only one to figure it out? Why did Pacquaio drop his idea to appeal?

"Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao will no longer file an appeal with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) following Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s reported use of intravenous (IV) treatment to counter dehydration for their bout last May."
http://www.balitangamerica.tv/pacqui...-case-to-nsac/

I'll tell you why....
THERE IS NO PROOF!!!

Clear enough?

Q1. You agreed that like Manny didn't check the right box (had shoulder injury) in the prefight form, FLoyd didn't correctly fill out the form.

THe question is, "Do you agree that, like Manny, Floyd should have been investigated for incorrectly filling out the form"?

BTW - your most recent response is just a Floyd fan excuse. The fact is that Floyd lied on that form then signed it. That is why Manny was going to be investigated. Try again!!!

Q2. You are incorrect. Hauser states that they check and Floyd showed no signs of being significantly dehydrated. Go read. He brings up some checks that are routinely made.
Plus there are Floyd's vital signs. Nothing that signals this so called severe dehydration.


Your quote on dehydration means absolutely nothing. So please never ever bring this silly excuse up again. Dehydration is not the proper context here. We are talking about Floyd being so severely dehydrated that he had to use an IV.

You are copy/pasting something totally different and it appears that you really do not understand. I already explained that to you.

[Spoon23]

Stephen A smith says: Floyd Struggles to make 147?

Starts @ 5:30



So why does he need IV treatment again? I'm lost?

[ADP02]

Stephen A smith says: Floyd Struggles to make 147?

Starts @ 5:30



So why does he need IV treatment again? I'm lost?

At 15 second mark of that Floyd says it himself that he struggles to make 147.

Yet he required an IV? For what Floyd???

[Spoon23]

At 15 second mark of that Floyd says it himself that he struggles to make 147.

Yet he required an IV? For what Floyd???

Only a blind fool can't see through this fraud.

Not a surprise he's winning this poll.