who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ruedboy]

And the top beneficiary of ped use is ....

FM benefited the most without a doubt. He retires undefeated, a multi millionaire and thought by many to be an ATG.
You have to give TMT credit for the way they gamed the system. Even when Floyd was discovered administering an illegal IV the night before his biggest fight the NSAC said, "No need to investigate, we know FM is a model athlete." LOL
In this age of designer drugs, "strength coaches" and inept boxing commissions, you have to believe that all the top guys are using PEDS.

[travestyny]

were there really 22 urine samples?

and this CIR testing you are saying was done on Floyd vs Pac they never mentioned all floyd's urine sample were tested with CIR too.

Yes, all 22 urine samples were CIR tested. 11 samples for Mayweather and 11 samples for Pacquaio.

[Rath]

Yes, all 22 urine samples were CIR tested. 11 samples for Mayweather and 11 samples for Pacquaio.

hmmmmm.. i am not sure now about Kevin Iole's article about how many tests were there urine and blood.

correct me if i am wrong.

there were 26 total test performed, 22 of them were urine tests, does that mean there were only 2 blood tests made each for Pac and Floyd?

[travestyny]

hmmmmm.. i am not sure now about Kevin Iole's article about how many tests were there urine and blood.

correct me if i am wrong.

there were 26 total test performed, 22 of them were urine tests, does that mean there were only 2 blood tests made each for Pac and Floyd?

There were a total of 38 tests. 22 urine tests and 16 blood tests.

Each man was tested 19 times.

[Dosumpthin]

I'm far from a Mayweather advocate, but I have to disagree with you. We've heard of Floyd's alleged failed drug tests, but have you seen the actual documentation proving it? I haven't, other than his high T/E ratio. A high T/E ratio merely raises a red flag for further testing, in the form of an isotope ratio confirmation test. This would determine if the carbon in his testosterone came from his body or an outside, synthesized source such as steroids. As far as I know, this test was not performed on Floyd's sample. Floyd paid Pac as a settlement for his people accusing Manny of PED use, not to hide his own positive results. He also paid $114k for refusing to show up for his deposition in Manny's defamation

While Floyd's use of IV saline injection prior to the Pacquiao fight violated the NSAC's regulation, because he used like 5 times the allowed amount, it's not deemed PED use. I agree that it's bs that he didn't get sanctioned for breaking the rules & was allowed to fight. However, the thread was about PED use. My original comment stated that this thread is based on conjecture, which is defined as an opinion or conclusion on the basis of incomplete information. Without documented proof of PED use, we're only left with our su****ions.

I've been reading post about Floyd's Iv use for months......but this statement baffles me so much so I decided to post.

I thought it has been said and proven that NSAC ALLOWS IV method AT THE TIME.

However it was WADA that prohibits IV method unless there is a TUE. And USADA follows WADA code.

But the FACTS are IV METHOD WAS NOT BANNED UNDER NSAC.

Why do people still get this confused? Am I missing something? A lot of these conspiracy revolve around this misconeption. Almost as if the confusion is INTENTIONAL. Not saying you are doing it, but some of these posters have This information but continue to ignore it.

[Rath]

There were a total of 38 tests. 22 urine tests and 16 blood tests.

Each man was tested 19 times.

i will try to find that kevin Iole's article about the test.

if what you say here is true there were 19 tests each at the span of a little more than two months then,

how come Floyd vs Mosley (caught cheater and admitted PED user) only have 8 tests each and stops 18 days before the fight?

[travestyny]

i will try to find that kevin Iole's article about the test.

if what you say here is true there were 19 tests each at the span of a little more than two months then,

how come Floyd vs Mosley (caught cheater and admitted PED user) only have 8 tests each and stops 18 days before the fight?

I don't know anything about testing for the Mosley fight.

Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.

Paquiao gave urine on March 14, 17, 23 and 24, April 1, 9, 16, 22 and 27 and May 1 and 2. Pacquiao gave blood samples on March 14, 17 and 24, April 1, 9, 16 and 22 and May 2.

[Dosumpthin]

I don't know anything about testing for the Mosley fight.

Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.

Paquiao gave urine on March 14, 17, 23 and 24, April 1, 9, 16, 22 and 27 and May 1 and 2. Pacquiao gave blood samples on March 14, 17 and 24, April 1, 9, 16 and 22 and May 2.

Still trying to figure out how Floyd beat all these test by using an iv on may2nd.

What is the accusation? The b12 vitiman boost is why he beat pac? Is that how he cheated? Lol.

To say Floyd was masking throughout the entire testing period seems a bit far fetched even for the extreme conspiracy theorists.

So What is the accusation? The iv was ultimately proven to be LEGAL within NASC And within USADA due to the RETROACTIVE TUE. WADA didn't disapprove.

So what is the accusation? Is he using ADVANCED peds that aren't detectable? Is that why he hired ariza? Was memo involved? If so, Then why the need to mask?


I'm confused about the whole Floyd ped accuasations. Dissappointed that people don't take the time to fact check. Frustrated by people who intentionally distort the FACTS to promote their agenda.

[Spoon23]

I've been reading post about Floyd's Iv use for months......but this statement baffles me so much so I decided to post.

I thought it has been said and proven that NSAC ALLOWS IV method AT THE TIME.

However it was WADA that prohibits IV method unless there is a TUE. And USADA follows WADA code.

But the FACTS are IV METHOD WAS NOT BANNED UNDER NSAC.

Why do people still get this confused? Am I missing something? A lot of these conspiracy revolve around this misconeption. Almost as if the confusion is INTENTIONAL. Not saying you are doing it, but some of these posters have This information but continue to ignore it.

What you fail to understand.

There was an agreement between 2 parties to do USADA testing which is under WADA code. Which means they will follow the wada code protocol for stringent testing. Using IVS especially 750 ml of saline in one sitting ruins the blood testing of an athlete. Which clearly Floyd did, and alarmingly allowed by USADA. When USADA should know better it dilutes the consistency of the blood which therefore, makes blood testing an athlete inconclusive. That alone shows maliciousness in the part of USADA and Floyd.

Yes nsac allows IVS, but it conflicts to the testing program that this athletes signed for. Plus nsac is the only soul organization that permits IV treatment with their consent. Which obviously they didn't consent since, nsac commission admitted not being informed by USADA. They were only informed 3 weeks after the fight. Which technically Floyd went in the ring illegally using IVS without proper consent and direct violation of wada code.

Then after 3 weeks, a magical thing happened they permitted a TUE that has already been done. TUE is only done before the act not after an act. Corruption at its finest. So much inconsistency shows biased and favoritism for the home town boy.

# poll shows who the real cheat here. This is no surprise.

[travestyny]

What you fail to understand.

There was an agreement between 2 parties to do USADA testing which is under WADA code. Which means they will follow the wada code protocol for stringent testing. Using IVS especially 750 ml of saline in one sitting ruins the blood testing of an athlete. Which clearly Floyd did, and alarmingly allowed by USADA. When USADA should know better it dilutes the consistency of the blood which therefore, makes blood testing an athlete inconclusive. That alone shows maliciousness in the part of USADA and Floyd.

Yes nsac allows IVS, but it conflicts to the testing program that this athletes signed for. Plus nsac is the only soul organization that permits IV treatment with their consent. Which obviously they didn't consent since, nsac commission admitted not being informed by USADA. They were only informed 3 weeks after the fight. Which technically Floyd went in the ring illegally using IVS without proper consent and direct violation of wada code.

Then after 3 weeks, a magical thing happened they permitted a TUE that has already been done. TUE is only done before the act not after an act. Corruption at its finest. So much inconsistency shows biased and favoritism for the home town boy.

# poll shows who the real cheat here. This is no surprise.

No. You failed to mention that Floyd gave urine before the IV. You failed to show that NSAC has to give permission for an athlete to have an IV. I've never, ever seen that, so where is that information? You are also blatantly wrong that a TUE has to be pre-approved. Retroactive TUE's are allowed and discussed in the ISTUE guidelines.

Please do some research.