who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Dosumpthin]

Athletes can use an IV to dehydrate BUT someone like Floyd and Lance Armstrong cannot.

Why? Because they are under the WADA rules which USADA is supposed to adhere too. Meaning, they would be breaking their own rules!!!
GOT YOU!!!



a) YOU said its NOT possible. Show me how its possible to do FILL IN THE BLANK. I answered ALL your questions and by responding to how its possible
GOT YOU!!!


b) The HT example of Hauser of 8% can be accomplished by some. The T/E levels that were mentioned by Hauser is still a red flag. GOT YOU!!!


c) Science? Show us science as to how FLoyd was so dehydrated that he required an IV? GOT YOU!!!



You played the "got you" game thinking that we couldn't respond to your questions. Once we did then you were left with deflecting. Either by changing the subject, saying the word "speculation" and so on.

Again, I was just responding to your question of "How its possible" but if you look back, I also stated that there are several scenarios that are possible. ONLY Floyd can tell you which one he used. GOT YOU!!!




Just because you are trying to make it a joke it does not mean it cannot happen. Again, I'm bringing up the point that there are several ways to beat the test. GOT YOU!!!




NO. You kept on saying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE" type of silly questions. Which showed your ignorance on this subject. Then when I answered you tried to deflect. GOT YOU!!!




You are still stuck on my question 1. Floyd was not severely dehydrated and Floyd came in weight EASILY according to Floyd (not me). Lots more evidence points to Floyd not requiring an IV. Until you can answer this properly GOT YOU!!!GOT YOU!!!

The burden is not yours to bare. Manny has moved on. You need to as well. Your starting to unravel. Take a deep breath, come back in three days, I will evaluate your mental condition and determine if you are fit to engage in further discussions.

[ADP02]

I was dealing with the other pact@rd and his ******ity about retroactive tues. Please address him because you need to seperate yourself from him.

But as far as you......

I really don't give **** about the iv. Its takes an extreme pact@rd to think the iv is a issue. You can't prove he wasn't dehydrated all you can do is speculate. And the single iv use, which he notified usada of prior to using it and a gave a urine sample, can not mask any ped that would be effective on fight night. Its not why Manny lost. Period. Then he was tested afterward.


You're better off blaming the shoulder.


Edit: I'll tell you what since you are not ****** like rath, I'll entertain you some more. What is the official medical condition and can we get that information from USADA? If not, then why?

See you deflected. GOT YOU!!!

This can be done without requiring additional information. We have lots of detail on the day of and also related information on the month of and more.

Its a simple question. We know Floyd's weight from 30 days out. Floyd's weight was relatively stable. Floyd weighed in just before the IV incident and came in under 147 EASILY. 146 and that is 1lb under. That is enough to state that Floyd could have started his rehydration even BEFORE the weigh in ....

I can say a lot more from my side but instead of YOU deflecting, lets here a possible explanation for the IV? You know. Show us scientifically how its possible to be so severely dehydrated with the available information?

[ADP02]

The burden is not yours to bare. Manny has moved on. You need to as well. Your starting to unravel. Take a deep breath, come back in three days, I will evaluate your mental condition and determine if you are fit to engage in further discussions.

DEFLECTION CITY!!! GOT YOU!!!

In other words, YOU and other Floyd fans have nothing and cannot think of how its even possible that Floyd had to have an IV since the truth is that the medical community says that there are alternatives to an IV and USADA/WADA agree on this? GOT YOU!!!

[Lester Tutor]

ets here a possible explanation for the IV? You know. Show us scientifically how its possible to be so severely dehydrated with the available information?

ironically, show me any sports related articles cited by Hauser, you know...the guy who fumbled his own speculative fiction, regarding masking ''banned'' and or PED substances in, 750ml, and providing urine samples before the IV procedure, and then blood and urine samples after the fight, ''scientifcally'' as you stated...

this was a ridiculous sport event. meaning huge. and PED medical experts would've loved to have jumped within the press either siding or against Floyd with scenarios how you mask it from IV time to after the fight. realize nobody cares about that Lance stories because AGAIN - ''deflectors'' in this own thread who cited Lance, still deny that EPO checking or ''blood doping'' was not a focus from WADA during his tour de peds years.

[Dosumpthin]

DEFLECTION CITY!!! GOT YOU!!!

In other words, YOU and other Floyd fans have nothing and cannot think of how its even possible that Floyd had to have an IV since the truth is that the medical community says that there are alternatives to an IV and USADA/WADA agree on this? GOT YOU!!!

It's simple, I chose not to specualte but rather review the facts. That's how logical people work.

You chose to ignore the facts and think everyone is lying and corrupt to fit your agenda.

So no, I'm not going to make up some medical condition or level of dehydration to fit my agenda.


I do, however, agree that we need to know the official medical condition USADA claims to have observed. Can we have access to those documents and if not then why?

Without it, I will take USADAS word over hausers, especially since he has been factually proven wrong and admitted having falsely given misleading information.

[ADP02]

1. ''except''

2. Floyd was drinking water all the time during the weigh ins and in an interview. at least I have not heard anyone state that perhaps Floyd was drinking in front of cameras to signal a possible degree of dehydration so he and everybody involved including Pac would get away with the whole hoax?

A degree? We are talking about severely dehydrated to the point that an IV was required. Like you pointed out, there was lots of time to rehydrate properly without an IV. There is science behind my explanations. GOT YOU!!!

3. There's no control over an emergency situation if a patient is requesting an IV. This is generalized even outside of sports, general patient care. Again Lance got away with abuse before WADA had been focused on EPO tricks. So therefore, how does Floyd get away with the ''blood doping'' you guys always reference?

If WADA was not focused then why the need for Lance to mask something that WADA was not focusing on? GOT YOU!!!

The reference to Lance Armstrong is due to FLoyd fans' questions. They are playing the "got you" game to suggest that Floyd could not have gotten away with using PEDs.

So to prove that they should not even go there I bring up Lance Armstrong.
Example: "Floyd was tested X amount of times and you (ADP02) still think that Floyd was on PEDs?" - Floyd fan

So I come back with the example of Lance.




GOT YOU!!!

[ADP02]

It's simple, I chose not to specualte but rather review the facts. That's how logical people work.

You chose to ignore the facts and think everyone is lying and corrupt to fit your agenda.

So no, I'm not going to make up some medical condition or level of dehydration to fit my agenda.


I do, however, agree that we need to know the official medical condition USADA claims to have observed. Can we have access to those documents and if not then why?

Without it, I will take USADAS word over hausers, especially since he has been factually proven wrong and admitted having falsely given misleading information.

When you use words like "speculation" in this context then you are in fact deflecting. GOT YOU!!!

Why I say that?

Because scientifically, to be dehydrated to the point of being severely dehydrated, Floyd would not be weighing in at 146. It would have been a lot less. Every expert that has responded to this says that it does not make sense to be using an IV. ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS ILLEGAL!!!

Even then, I asked for you to respond with the information on hand.

You respond to everything else but cannot respond to this? Lets face it. The reason you do not is because you cannot come up with a valid explanation. The problem is that its so obvious that Floyd did not require an IV that You cannot even speculate!!! YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING BUT Floyd saying my urine was dark. GOT YOU!!!

[Robbie Barrett]

Is that your response? Really? Then why request (FLOYD) and why approve a TUE (USADA)?

Why did USADA confirm that IV is a banned method in this case?

GOT YOU!!!

He didn't require a TUE, he did it voluntarily to follow USADA protocol. USADA explained all this in response to Hauser. You know that but just act dumb so people have to go over and over the same **** everyday.

[Lester Tutor]

A degree? We are talking about severely dehydrated to the point that an IV was required. Like you pointed out, there was lots of time to rehydrate properly without an IV. There is science behind my explanations. GOT YOU!!!




If WADA was not focused then why the need for Lance to mask something that WADA was not focusing on? GOT YOU!!!

The reference to Lance Armstrong is due to FLoyd fans' questions. They are playing the "got you" game to suggest that Floyd could not have gotten away with using PEDs.

So to prove that they should not even go there I bring up Lance Armstrong.
Example: "Floyd was tested X amount of times and you (ADP02) still think that Floyd was on PEDs?" - Floyd fan

So I come back with the example of Lance.




GOT YOU!!!

Why does ADP02 keep owning himself...and again, dodging questions ''SCIENTIFICALLY'' as he stated, how do you mask THE / THOSE beneficial BANNED or PED substances in 750ml TO BEAT PAC providing urine before the IV procedure and then again along with BLOOD after the fight?!



What is this ''I got you.'' lol

[Dosumpthin]

He didn't require a TUE, he did it voluntarily to follow USADA protocol. USADA explained all this in response to Hauser. You know that but just act dumb so people have to go over and over the same **** everyday.

Pact@rd just keep it going. Give them a fact they ignore it. I bet 100.00 pay pal rath will say the rest aren't random or notify /application nonsense next thread. No matter how many people prove them wrong.


It's insane.