Comments Thread For: Loeffler: We Expect Canelo To Defend Against Golovkin

[The Big Dunn]

Oscar and BHop were in the same division when they fought, but Oscar was not a natural MW and BHop knew that he would still have a size advantage in the ring, on the night.

And it wasn't a mandatory defence by Oscar.

A good analogy would be if Cotto had not been mandated to defend against Golovkin and had voluntarily offered to unify against him at 158.

I'm pretty sure Golovkin would have accepted that and Cotto would have gotten no criticism for requesting it.

It's Canelo walking around and rehydrating heavier than Golovkin, and demanding a 5lb CW for a mandatory defence that makes this case unique.

Canelo v GGG is a unfication fight, same as ODH/Bhop. GGG being the mando doesn't take precedence over his being champion in other organizations.

[Bronx2245]

Oscar and BHop were in the same division when they fought, but Oscar was not a natural MW and BHop knew that he would still have a size advantage in the ring, on the night.

And it wasn't a mandatory defence by Oscar.

A good analogy would be if Cotto had not been mandated to defend against Golovkin and had voluntarily offered to unify against him at 158.

I'm pretty sure Golovkin would have accepted that and Cotto would have gotten no criticism for requesting it.

It's Canelo walking around and rehydrating heavier than Golovkin, and demanding a 5lb CW for a mandatory defence that makes this case unique.

Edit: My prediction is that once GGG and Canelo start negotiating in May, both will compromise and the fight will happen at 157/158.

The point is that Hopkins, like GGG, knew that he had "The Golden Boy" wearing a title in his weight division. He didn't make demands, Oscar did! B-Hop accepted the challenge, came in @ 156, and whopped that a$$. This is what we expect GGG to do, if he wants to be one of the great ones like B-Hop. If you can make 154 for Floyd, you can make 155 for Canelo...AND GET PAID!!!

[Bronx2245]

To add to kafkod's response above. DLH looked bloated and unimpressive in the Sturm fight. He had no business at MW. Now compare the way Oscar looked on that night to Canelo entering the ring at 170+.

Hopkins is no dummy and wouldn't make a fight where he felt a weight drain would put him at a significant disadvantage. Taking nothing away from him, but fighting DLH at 156 is not the same as Canelo at 155. That said, if GGG thinks he can pull it off and wants the payday, he'll drain himself. Otherwise, he can take Canelo's vacated belt and move on. Unless Canelo's okay never fighting for a belt until GGG retires, he'll get the fight eventually.

I guess I don't see Canelo as some MONSTER, that you seem to think he is. He couldn't KO little Floyd. He couldn't KO Lara (and I think that was a draw), and he couldn't KO little Cotto (which I had 7-5 Canelo). If GGG is as good as people say he is, then 155 shouldn't be a problem at all!

[about.thousands]

Yeah, I'm sure GGG was quite relieved that he didn't have to fight Cotto or Canelo. Or maybe he's got other belts to collect in the meantime? What was his last fight again? Obviously, Cotto was NEVER going to get in the ring with him. K2 expected a Canelo win and knew all this was going to happen. They still have the WBO belt to go after as well as an IBF mandatory to take care of this year. While Canelo holding the WBC belt and defending it at 155 is shameful, stripping him at this point gets them nothing. GGG would obviously rather fight Canelo for it (and the $$$). What's so hard to understand here?

Cotto: I want to fight Canelo instead of you for the WBC MW title. Here's some money now run along.

GGG: Ok. I good boy

Cotto: Well the fight with Canelo didn't work out so I'm gonna fight Geale. Here's some money now run along

GGG: Ok. I good boy

Cotto: Did you see my win against Geale? I knocked him out faster than you did. Well Canelo is ready to fight now. Here's some money now run along.

GGG: Ok. I good boy

Canelo: Hey, you see this belt I just won by defeating Cotto? And guess what? He surrendered it before we even fought. This would've been yours if you would've stripped him. He vacated anyway I know you were supposed to fight the winner but I'm gonna take make the Mexican dates and choose another opponent. Run along now.

GGG: What about money? I good boy

Canelo: I'm not paying you. If you want to fight me you will wait your turn. You want this belt? Strip me. I can put 40,000 people in a stadium and double your PPV numbers without this trinket. Either take it or be a good boy and wait

GGG: Ok. I good boy

Canelo: Oh yea, 155 B*TCH!

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Every single time Golovkin has had an opportunity to "get the middleweight championship back in it's rightful place" he's negotiated a way out of getting the belt. It takes two to tangle and Golovkin has danced with two partners instead of taking the belt.

Hallelujah Brother! Let there be light shined down on the darkness that is GBP boxing. Let the fans rejoice, the savior s here.

Canelo is a wrotten vagina, and it's time to be cleansed of this CW scourge.

Seriously though, I can't find any instance on a mandatory bring forced down in weight.

I think it's because the fans have had to watch Cotto drop to 145 to fight Pacquiao, and De La Hoya drop to 147 to fight Pacquiao, and Canelo drop to 152 to fight Mayweather, and B-Hop drop to fight De La Hoya, etc., etc. The catch-weight fight is not new to the game, so fans expect GGG to do what other great champions have done in the past. At this point GGG can stick by his "principles", or he can go get some "commas." He can go down to get 'em, or go up to get 'em, but he's not in the position to make demands where he sits at the current time.

They came down a few pounds. Canelo is tying to go to where only he can likely safely go.

If Canelo was saying 158, I doubt anyone would care much.

February 14, 2008:

In the days when there were just eight weight divisions, catchweight bouts were commonplace.

Each boxer in such a fight was seen as taking a risk.

The smaller fighter would hope that his opponent might weaken himself making the agreed weight. For the bigger man, the gamble would be whether he could get down to the lighter weight and remain strong...

Bernard Hopkins KO9 Oscar De La Hoya -- Las Vegas, Sept. 18, 2004

Middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins was so eager to make the biggest purse of his career against Oscar De La Hoya that he was willing to give a little in negotiations. Most significant, was his agreeing to the Golden Boy's stipulation that the match be made at a catchweight of 158 pounds, two pounds inside the middleweight limit. In the event, Hopkins came in at the surpassingly light weight of 156 pounds.

First off, those were not mandatory situations.

Second, Oscar was never a MW sized fighter. Canelo is.

Third, The CW was litterally at 158. Not 155. Sure, B-hop came in lighterduring weigh in, but De La Hoya didn't have the weight to make a difference.

Canelo will be the heavier fighter.

[Bronx2245]

September 17, 2009:

Manny Pacquiao has taken a lot of heat lately from fans and members of the media by fighting Cotto for the title at a catchweight. He has been bestowed the title of "Catchweight King" or "Catchweight B$#%#." But how much of these criticisms does he deserve?

The people who say that this fight shouldn't be a title fight have a legitimate argument. But technically, a welterweight fight can take place at a weight between 141-147. Still, Miguel Cotto is the champion and it is a reasonable to demand Pacquiao to step up and fight him at 147 if he wants Cotto's welterweight belt.

My problem with the criticism is when it is coming from people who never had a problem with the catchweights before. People who never complained when Hopkins was fighting Pavlik at a catchweight.

Many of the All Time Greats had a number of catchweights, such as Sugar Ray Leonard. He made Danny Lalonde come down from 175 to 168 to fight for his light-heavyweight title and the new super middle weight title. He also fought Hearns at super middle weight at 163.

Julio Cesar Chavez fought Meldrick Taylor for the welterweight title at 145. A number of memorable fights wouldn't have happen without catchweights. Heck, even the Marquez and Mayweather fight is at a catchweight, and no one has taken heat regarding catchweights as much as the Pacman.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/256160-manny-pacquiao-the-catchweight-king

Catchweights SUCK, but they are not new to the sport. A 155lb. catchweight is NOT a valid excuse for GGG to turn down an offer to fight Canelo, and have the chance to unify the MW division!

[Bronx2245]

Hallelujah Brother! Let there be light shined down on the darkness that is GBP boxing. Let the fans rejoice, the savior s here.

Canelo is a wrotten vagina, and it's time to be cleansed of this CW scourge.

Seriously though, I can't find any instance on a mandatory bring forced down in weight.



They came down a few pounds. Canelo is tying to go to where only he can likely safely go.

If Canelo was saying 158, I doubt anyone would care much.



First off, those were not mandatory situations.

Second, Oscar was never a MW sized fighter. Canelo is.

Third, The CW was litterally at 158. Not 155. Sure, B-hop came in lighterduring weigh in, but De La Hoya didn't have the weight to make a difference.

Canelo will be the heavier fighter.

So if you were K2/GGG, would you refuse to fight Canelo @ 155, if Canelo said 155 or no fight?

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Cotto: I want to fight Canelo instead of you for the WBC MW title. Here's some money now run along.

Canelo: Oh yea, 155 B*TCH!

I'm not gonna break that down, but Cotto didn't KO Geale faster than GGG. Not to mention Cotto drained him.

So if you were K2/GGG, would you refuse to fight Canelo @ 155, if Canelo said 155 or no fight?

Yes! And no! I agree with K2, a CW fight can happen, but not for 3 of the four major 160 titles. No one should get a shot at unification of an entire division, damn near, at no one pound above the weight class below.

Here is another reason why. Canelo comes in too heavy. The money may be good, but if you lose because your weig hit drained, then you lose out in long run.

Stay strong, eventually Canelo will have to come to GGG.
The purse split isn't gonna favor you.

[kafkod]

The point is that Hopkins, like GGG, knew that he had "The Golden Boy" wearing a title in his weight division. He didn't make demands, Oscar did! B-Hop accepted the challenge, came in @ 156, and whopped that a$$. This is what we expect GGG to do, if he wants to be one of the great ones like B-Hop. If you can make 154 for Floyd, you can make 155 for Canelo...AND GET PAID!!!

Floyd would be around 150 on fight night, and GGG has no leverage with him at all. Neither did BHop with Oscar.

Canelo would be over 170, and GGG does have leverage there - his mando position.

You don't think that would make a difference to Golovkin's thinking on those 2 possible match-ups?

[Progrssive_Jedi]

September 17, 2009:

Manny Pacquiao has taken a lot of heat lately from fans and members of the media by fighting Cotto for the title at a catchweight. He has been bestowed the title of "Catchweight King" or "Catchweight B$#%#." But how much of these criticisms does he deserve?

The people who say that this fight shouldn't be a title fight have a legitimate argument. But technically, a welterweight fight can take place at a weight between 141-147. Still, Miguel Cotto is the champion and it is a reasonable to demand Pacquiao to step up and fight him at 147 if he wants Cotto's welterweight belt.

My problem with the criticism is when it is coming from people who never had a problem with the catchweights before. People who never complained when Hopkins was fighting Pavlik at a catchweight.

Many of the All Time Greats had a number of catchweights, such as Sugar Ray Leonard. He made Danny Lalonde come down from 175 to 168 to fight for his light-heavyweight title and the new super middle weight title. He also fought Hearns at super middle weight at 163.

Julio Cesar Chavez fought Meldrick Taylor for the welterweight title at 145. A number of memorable fights wouldn't have happen without catchweights. Heck, even the Marquez and Mayweather fight is at a catchweight, and no one has taken heat regarding catchweights as much as the Pacman.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/256160-manny-pacquiao-the-catchweight-king

Catchweights SUCK, but they are not new to the sport. A 155lb. catchweight is NOT a valid excuse for GGG to turn down an offer to fight Canelo, and have the chance to unify the MW division!

155 is too much! It's basically demanding you fight for a title at the weight class below.

It's a valid reason if Canelo come in the bigger fighter.

Every instance you mentioned the smaller fighter wanted the CW.