Should Manny Still Be Placed Above Floyd On The ATG List?

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Floyd only agreed to fight Manny after he was devastatingly KOd by Marquez and out cold for 5 minutes. A KO like that is going to take something away from a fighter and we could see in the Brandon Rios fight which followed that Marquez defeat, Manny couldn't even stop Rios while relatively light hitting Bradley was able to recently.

Had Manny and Floyd fought prime for primer perhaps the outcome would have been different? Some even believe that Manny beat Floyd in the fight regardless.

It has to be said that, for the most part, Manny has faced some very dangerous opposition although there are catchweight issues with De La Hoya and Cotto, he did face Margarito above 147 at a 150 catchweight and that's a fighter who actually sent Floyd into "retirement", similar to how Khan has recently, without even landing a glove on him.

While Khan of course should rightfully considered above them both on the ATG list due to them both avoiding him in recent times, that reality aside, should Manny still be placed above Floyd ATG-wise due to Floyd essentially facing a faded Pacquiao?

another poster ignoring the fact that team pac admitted ruining the first negotiations, this is getting out of control just stop it man. if they fought in 2009 Floyd was younger and had more offense, he beat pac man with basic footwork and little offense. it would have been worse but pac man is an ATG and a great fighter it takes nothing away from him.

[madsweeney]

I question the intelligence of anyone who has Pacquiao over Mayweather at this point. If you're a troll/loser like LeftHookTua it's understandable. No other excuse otherwise.

Really? So comparing resume's you place Floyd's 0 over the quality of opponents? Face it, Pac has 2 wins over ATGs in Morales and Barrerra (some may argue Marquez but tossing that out as they both have wins). Floyd has Pac. Floyd has more title fights, Pac has more weight class belts. Both are 4 division lineal champs, Pac did it first.

IMO, they're about even. People seem to forget Pac gained widely accepted ATG status nearly 10 years ago, Floyd's ATG status has always been in question (despite his obvious skills and flawless record) until the Pac fight. Obviously, that's pretty absurd but just a comparison in how long both have earned that honor by the masses, not just die hards.

[therealpugilist]

Really? So comparing resume's you place Floyd's 0 over the quality of opponents? Face it, Pac has 2 wins over ATGs in Morales and Barrerra (some may argue Marquez but tossing that out as they both have wins). Floyd has Pac. Floyd has more title fights, Pac has more weight class belts. Both are 4 division lineal champs, Pac did it first.

IMO, they're about even. People seem to forget Pac gained widely accepted ATG status nearly 10 years ago, Floyd's ATG status has always been in question (despite his obvious skills and flawless record) until the Pac fight. Obviously, that's pretty absurd but just a comparison in how long both have earned that honor by the masses, not just die hards.

Zahir Raheem killed the steam from that win/....also why couldnt he fight morales fight at a better weight? they refused the winner a proper weight and we all know Morales couldnt make 130 healthy

[BoxingIsGreat]

Khan should be placed on top of both. I've Khan as the clear number 1 on my ATG list.

[madsweeney]

another poster ignoring the fact that team pac admitted ruining the first negotiations, this is getting out of control just stop it man. if they fought in 2009 Floyd was younger and had more offense, he beat pac man with basic footwork and little offense. it would have been worse but pac man is an ATG and a great fighter it takes nothing away from him.

Floyd will always have one major advantage in any time they fought and that's reach. That's the #1 reason why he won IMO. Its pretty obvious to anyone who isn't on the Floyd bus that '09 Pac was a different beast, not saying Floyd wasn't better as well but he diminished far less in that 5 years.

Floyd's offense is exactly what Pac was able to work off of, keeping his own offense at a minimum was was Floyd had to do when he realized Pac could counter him nearly as well as he could counter Pac.

Who knows what would have happened in '09, however, just like people like to diminish Pac's Morales win due to when he fought him, Mayweather's win is diminished for the same reason.

[madsweeney]

Zahir Raheem killed the steam from that win/....also why couldnt he fight morales fight at a better weight? they refused the winner a proper weight and we all know Morales couldnt make 130 healthy

And JMM didn't kill the steam of Floyd's win over Pac? Double-standards much?

[ironmt]

Zahir Raheem killed the steam from that win/....also why couldnt he fight morales fight at a better weight? they refused the winner a proper weight and we all know Morales couldnt make 130 healthy

Where on Floyd's resume Is there a Morales or Barrera? You are making every effort to diminish Pacquiao's accomplishments and It Is obvious with the following comment "why couldnt he fight morales fight at a better weight". Floyd does not have the resume that Pacquiao does and no amount of criticizing Is going to change that fact.

[IMDAZED]

Where on Floyd's resume Is there a Morales or Barrera? You are making every effort to diminish Pacquiao's accomplishments and It Is obvious with the following comment "why couldnt he fight morales fight at a better weight". Floyd does not have the resume that Pacquiao does and no amount of criticizing Is going to change that fact.

Morales was not the same fighter by the time Pacquiao beat him. Leaving only Barrera. And you don't judge a fighter by one win over a great or else Vernon Forrest would be an ATG.

[ironmt]

And JMM didn't kill the steam of Floyd's win over Pac? Double-standards much?

Excellent post, spot on.

[madsweeney]

Morales was not the same fighter by the time Pacquiao beat him. Leaving only Barrera. And you don't judge a fighter by one win over a great or else Vernon Forrest would be an ATG.

So by that same standard, Floyd has no ATG wins as Pac was clearly not the same fighter by the time FLoyd beat him. So clearly, Pac is the only one that has an ATG win on his resume, trumping Floyd. Is that what you're implying?