Should Manny Still Be Placed Above Floyd On The ATG List?

[ironmt]

Morales was not the same fighter by the time Pacquiao beat him. Leaving only Barrera. And you don't judge a fighter by one win over a great or else Vernon Forrest would be an ATG.

Again, answer the question, where on Floyd's resume Is a Eric Morales and a Marco Antonio Barrera?

[madsweeney]

Excellent post, spot on.

Seriously, these guys think Raheem out-boxing Morales in a higher weight class > getting KTFO and waiting 2 years of unimpressive tune-ups.

[IMDAZED]

Manny Pacquiao took L's at various points in his career, not all against good opposition.

His standout wins IMO are Barrera and Cotto, two monster victories. To pretend Morales ranks up there as a top win means you bought the hype Bob Arum sold back then.

[IMDAZED]

Again, answer the question, where on Floyd's resume Is a Eric Morales and a Marco Antonio Barrera?

I'll take the Pacquiao win over both. More important, the Morales win isn't a big one. Maybe in name.

[hugh grant]

Morales was not the same fighter by the time Pacquiao beat him. Leaving only Barrera. And you don't judge a fighter by one win over a great or else Vernon Forrest would be an ATG.

Morales was still an excellent fighter when PSAC fought him, morales was only outpointed by raheem, hardly ruined by him. Pac ruined morales more like it butnobody stopped morales like posc did apart from garcia years later.
Whilst PAC was ko,ed by jmm, yet its Floyd's best win?

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao & Marquez are two clear wins that beat Morales & Barrera.

Throw in Canelo, Cotto, Corrales, etc. etc.

It's not close anymore. Stopped being close around 2013.

[GOD-FR33]

Honestly...

Honestly, it's not even close. Manny Pacquiao is the only 8 division champion boxing's rich history. He is an ATG and one of the greatest "little fighters" ever. His fighting style, bravery, and humbleness, are on par with other greats. He fought Morales 3 times, Roidquez 4 times, Barrera 2 times. He went to Floyd's division when he retired for no reason, after beating Ricky Hatton, and saved it. He fought Clottey when no one else wanted to. He fought Cotto, went down and fought Hatton at his BEST weight. He went up to 154lbs and pounded Cheeto. That was a very dangerous fight and it took something out of Manny. You idiots can try and act as if it wasn't an impressive feat all you want. I know better. He pounded Rios. He fought Bradley 2 times about to be 3 times. Bradley is better than anyone Floyd has EVER fought outside of Cotto and Manny. Floyd's best win is Chico and that's SAD, man. I was a fan until he became his own boss. It made him rich beyond his wildest dreams and it also ruined his legacy, or lack there of. Floyd is not an ATG in my book. He is a HOF'mer. He does not own the wins necessary for anyone to make that claim. He has never fought an A Level PRIME fighter, EVER. This isn't even an argument, it's a FACT. On top of all of this, Manny was the best fighter he ever fought and he looked like crap. It was a mediocre performance from both but Manny beat Floyd. He landed clean, clear, hard counters all night. Floyd couldn't land on Manny flush. Manny has the same fast twitch muscles as he does. In conclusion, who knows how long Floyd may have been juicing? Against Cotto, his A sample came back abnormal. Against The Ghost too. And I believe Ortiz. Floyd is a joke and overrated. He played us for years!

[ironmt]

I'll take the Pacquiao win over both. More important, the Morales win isn't a big one. Maybe in name.

But Pacquiao's win over Morales didn't count because according to you he was past It. Yet Floyd's win counts for some reason even though Pacquiao has been past It for years and was left face down unconscious for over 2 minutes. It just doesn't add up.

[IMDAZED]

But Pacquiao's win over Morales didn't count because according to you he was past It. Yet Floyd's win counts for some reason even though Pacquiao has been past It for years and was left face down unconscious for over 2 minutes. It just doesn't add up.

Probably because you subtracted the two years after the KO where Pacquiao proved himself with a win over Bradley who is an elite fighter. Little details like that, you know?

[hugh grant]

Pacquiao & Marquez are two clear wins that beat Morales & Barrera.

Throw in Canelo, Cotto, Corrales, etc. etc.

It's not close anymore. Stopped being close around 2013.

How can the PAC win be greast when jmm koed PAC? How can jmm win be great when he bloated jmm while cheating scales? How can canelo be even good when he was a drained green kid with no good wins? Hoiw can cotton be any good when PAC destroyed cotton brefore Floyd?