Is Joshua the real deal?

[kiDynamite92]

Those fights you're referencing took place within three to four years of Joshua first took up boxing, and that's at a vastly superior level than anything Fury managed in the amateurs.

When Fury was four years removed from having his first amateur fight, he was getting schooled and outboxed by a morbidly obese domestic level fighter in John McDermott. When Joshua was winning silver at the world amateur championships, Fury was getting planted on his arse and getting rocked by featherfisted clubfighters like Firtha and Pajkic.

Joshua is only one year younger then Fury and had Fury stayed in the amateurs as long as Joshua, he would have come away with a few gold medals too. Fury did win a controversial decision against McDermott but that's better then getting stopped by fatty Nistor Mihai with 12 oz gloves and head gear!

[Ham Porter]

Fury was a better amateur than Joshua,

Now you're just purposely acting like a ****** for the sake of it.

[kiDynamite92]

Look I have never said he is still not learning and he's only had 15 fights but I'm telling you now in another years time he is gonna be the man in the division...any heavyweight that has only had 15 fights will always say that's he is not ready yet...it's called learning your trade but I see enough in Joshua that when the time comes he walks right through fury ...no lumber some oath has ever held on to the heavyweight title ..Tyson fury is like primo carnero ...u might not like it but I'm telling you now Joshua crushes whiskers fury.....and I told you when it finally becomes that fury will have to defend his belt against him.....ill be contacting you on a little private wager we will have in regards to fury Joshua .....lets see if you back him up with some real green

And again this is all speculation! That doesn't count for ****! If he was as bad as you say, your boy Joshua would go and challenge him already and get titles of him. I look forward to the bet but I can't debate with you if you're going of speculation.

[Ham Porter]

Joshua is only one year younger then Fury and had Fury stayed in the amateurs as long as Joshua, he would have come away with a few gold medals too. Fury did win a controversial decision against McDermott but that's better then getting stopped by fatty Nistor Mihai with 12 oz gloves and head gear!

Fury lost to John McDermott. It was one of the worst decisions of that year. Mihai is worlds apart from McDermott in terms of ability and levels.

Fury was in the amateurs for one year less than Joshua. His level was the ABA's.

[D-MiZe]

Fury is far beyond anyone currently in the division. It wasn't size that undone Klitschko, it was more the speed and skill. Klitschko has faced a lot of guys bigger then him and he usually dominates them.

'As a Fury fan...' then you go onto say you hype him, so why should I really listen to what you're saying? You're talking absolute bollocks about him being far beyond anyone in the division. We're still about on the same guy that was dropped by Steve Cunningham right? A cruiserweight that is hardly noted for his power in his natural division.

You did get it right in one sense, Fury's speed is phenomenal for a man his size. His size, like his predecessor Klitschko, is the reason why Fury will have success and the fact he can move like a middleweight compared to other giants is astonishing. To say Fury has skill as he arm punches his way through a 12 round fight and pulls back with his head in the air, arms stiffed out like a zombie having a stroke is laughable.

[Ham Porter]

I'm not even knocking Fury for all the flaws he's shown in the past. Fighters learn and develop with age and experience and Fury's clearly far removed from that guy from four and six years ago. But bigging up Fury by tearing down Joshua for losing/struggling against world class amateurs with far more seasoning and experience than himself from three or four years ago is utterly ******ed.

[The plunger man]

Fury lost to John McDermott. It was one of the worst decisions of that year. Mihai is worlds apart from McDermott in terms of ability and levels.

Fury was in the amateurs for one year less than Joshua. His level was the ABA's.

When the times right joshua will knock on furys door..fury can have his moment of glory but joshua is on his way to him...by a end of 2016 to mid 2017 joshua will take over....fury started a pro career earlier and it seems like he has been around ages and yet he is still considered a laughing stock...I certainly don't consider him to be a longterm champion and it's only the fan boys and *****s in caravans who think he is the best thing since sliced bread....True boxing experts consider him laughable

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I think you are being a little harsh. He might not have impressed me when I first saw him in Olympics, but he sure has convinced me he is a future DOMESTIC champion now.

Fixed it for ya

[Tom Cruise]

I'm not comparing him to anyone I'm talking in general. If I had to compare him to anyone it would be Frank Bruno but with less skills.

I completely disagree with almost every point you made.

I don't see any counter punching ability, he's certainly not quick IMO, not seen an inside game and defintely not an outside one. Seems to be like an aggressive fighter who walks you down and try's to blow you out, not seen any real head movement and he's very stiff and robotic.

That's my view. It's hard to judge his skill level or just general level at this point like I said the only part of his game I've seen that he made me think that was good is his punch. Nothing else has impressed me. You say his speed has impressed you it certainly has not impressed me.

I meant who are you comparing him too in todays division? Other prospects or world level? As a prospect he is way up there. Only Parker is with him right now imo, and he has fought even worse opposition than Joshua so far.

His hand speed is definitely decent, not really sure how you can question that tbh. Footspeed is horrible. I would much rather he was still the 236lbs he was on his debut, I think it would have given him much more room to build his skill level, would help his stamina and made him more fluid as a boxer. As it is he decided to pack on the muscle, but he is still doing some good things in the ring.

Ive seen him use good counters in almost all of his fights (something that i cant say about almost any other current heavyweight):









These arent spectacular counters by any means, but compared to other modern HWs they are impressive.

The inside/outside comment was too far, but my reasoning was that he is tall and long so nobody is really having much success on the outside, and he is strong and powerful, so noone so far has done much against him on the inside. Most of his fights have had a similar pattern with his limited opponent trying to establish their gameplan but quickly being pushed back and smothered. Whyte managed to push him further, but after round 4 he barely landed a single good punch, thanks in part to some adjustments Joshua made.

I think you are judging him too harshly. Theres only a handful of HW fighters I would pick as clear favourite over Joshua right now after 15 fights and I think less than 50 rounds as a pro. Fury, Wilder, Wlad, Povetkin and Ortiz. The rest are very winnable for him, even now.

2016 we will find out a lot. He is mving up to Euro level and at HW Euro level is not that far from World Level. Helenius would be a good test, or maybe Wach.

[IronDanHamza]

I meant who are you comparing him too in todays division? Other prospects or world level? As a prospect he is way up there. Only Parker is with him right now imo, and he has fought even worse opposition than Joshua so far.

His hand speed is definitely decent, not really sure how you can question that tbh. Footspeed is horrible. I would much rather he was still the 236lbs he was on his debut, I think it would have given him much more room to build his skill level, would help his stamina and made him more fluid as a boxer. As it is he decided to pack on the muscle, but he is still doing some good things in the ring.

Ive seen him use good counters in almost all of his fights (something that i cant say about almost any other current heavyweight):









These arent spectacular counters by any means, but compared to other modern HWs they are impressive.

The inside/outside comment was too far, but my reasoning was that he is tall and long so nobody is really having much success on the outside, and he is strong and powerful, so noone so far has done much against him on the inside. Most of his fights have had a similar pattern with his limited opponent trying to establish their gameplan but quickly being pushed back and smothered. Whyte managed to push him further, but after round 4 he barely landed a single good punch, thanks in part to some adjustments Joshua made.

I think you are judging him too harshly. Theres only a handful of HW fighters I would pick as clear favourite over Joshua right now after 15 fights and I think less than 50 rounds as a pro. Fury, Wilder, Wlad, Povetkin and Ortiz. The rest are very winnable for him, even now.

2016 we will find out a lot. He is mving up to Euro level and at HW Euro level is not that far from World Level. Helenius would be a good test, or maybe Wach.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

I'd like to see him fight Parker. Parker impressed me more than Joshua.

Wach, Helenius or Chisora wouldn't be too bad though.