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Except the hype that he gets from people like me is warranted, he just dominated the guy who no one in the division could touch and has reigned supreme for a decade. So why should I not believe he far beyond anyone else in the division? It's really funny how you bring up that Steve Cunningham punch and it really shows the angle which you're coming from. I'm sure you know that was a flash knock down and he got up right away, you could see him drop when got hit and when the ref actually started counting he jumped back to his feet. Why are you crucifying him on that without taking into fact he stood again WK who is rated one of the hardest punches in the division and took his best shots without any worries? Can we conclude that he had a solid jaw from that?'As a Fury fan...' then you go onto say you hype him, so why should I really listen to what you're saying? You're talking absolute bollocks about him being far beyond anyone in the division. We're still about on the same guy that was dropped by Steve Cunningham right? A cruiserweight that is hardly noted for his power in his natural division.
You did get it right in one sense, Fury's speed is phenomenal for a man his size. His size, like his predecessor Klitschko, is the reason why Fury will have success and the fact he can move like a middleweight compared to other giants is astonishing. To say Fury has skill as he arm punches his way through a 12 round fight and pulls back with his head in the air, arms stiffed out like a zombie having a stroke is laughable.
If you don't think fury has any skill you're blind. It was those head movements and feints that nuteralised Klitschko's jab. It was left completely ineffective. If that was such an easy feat, why has no one else in the division been able to do that? When he had his arms in the air, he was using that as a defence for any incoming punches, did you see how many times he caught Klitschko's punches on his gloves? Those arm punches that you're laughing at had Klitschko hurt on 3 different occasions, more so then anything Klitschko managed to do in return. Not so bad for an arm puncher right?Comment
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Tom I think 2016 is gonna be a real step up for joshua, for me he has great handspeed for a heavyweight of 246 pounds, he also can throw quick combinations with punches from varying angles...even the uppercut with what he finsihed Whyte with was a great punch....that's the most difficult punch to throw as a boxer and it was also landed inside with speed...not easy trust me....whyte would probably beat the chisoras and pulevs of this world as we speak...even with whyte after 4 rounds joshua took control and was rarely troubled and I think in a years time when he has beaten a few decent rated fighters he will become even more dangerous....how many heavyweights could you see being able to cope with his strength and power....I don't see many but we will see...there's a reason why he Was the Ring magazine prospect of the year in 2014...he has that aura about himI meant who are you comparing him too in todays division? Other prospects or world level? As a prospect he is way up there. Only Parker is with him right now imo, and he has fought even worse opposition than Joshua so far.
His hand speed is definitely decent, not really sure how you can question that tbh. Footspeed is horrible. I would much rather he was still the 236lbs he was on his debut, I think it would have given him much more room to build his skill level, would help his stamina and made him more fluid as a boxer. As it is he decided to pack on the muscle, but he is still doing some good things in the ring.
Ive seen him use good counters in almost all of his fights (something that i cant say about almost any other current heavyweight):
These arent spectacular counters by any means, but compared to other modern HWs they are impressive.
The inside/outside comment was too far, but my reasoning was that he is tall and long so nobody is really having much success on the outside, and he is strong and powerful, so noone so far has done much against him on the inside. Most of his fights have had a similar pattern with his limited opponent trying to establish their gameplan but quickly being pushed back and smothered. Whyte managed to push him further, but after round 4 he barely landed a single good punch, thanks in part to some adjustments Joshua made.
I think you are judging him too harshly. Theres only a handful of HW fighters I would pick as clear favourite over Joshua right now after 15 fights and I think less than 50 rounds as a pro. Fury, Wilder, Wlad, Povetkin and Ortiz. The rest are very winnable for him, even now.
2016 we will find out a lot. He is mving up to Euro level and at HW Euro level is not that far from World Level. Helenius would be a good test, or maybe Wach.Comment
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I'll start from ze end;
The reason why no one else has done that is because there isn't another 6ft9 heavyweight that moves like a 5ft9 welterweight. Fury is very physically gifted, quick hands and quick feet and a 6ft9 frame to go with it - that is incredible.
Fury has some level of skill as all boxers do but it's nonsense to list that as one of his advantages. The reason why he struggled early on is because of his lack of skills and his inability to use his height. No one ever thinks 'Christ, look at the skills Fury is displaying' No, they say 'Christ, look at the size of that man who moves like that. Look at how fast his hands are too'.
Did Klitschko even land a shot?
I don't think it's fair to say anything of Fury's chin after going 12 with such a tentative and scared Wlad. Regarding Cunningham it shows that despite all these fancy performances he still comes undone at times and tremendously so. He has always been and always will be a sucker for the overhand right, you cannot miss him with that. That's because he isn't skilful in defence and isn't skilful in footwork.
Watch when Fury fights someone who comes to fight and is competent, he will have to dig deep every time he fights a decent contender 'cause he lacks the skill but certainly doesn't lack the heart or workrate. I honestly see someone like Carlos Takam dethroning Fury. We'll have to wait and see, words are meaningless.Comment
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Your blind dynamite...fury has no skill level...he is lumber some big foot who played mind games and won a pathetic and non boxing fight with a fighter who never showed up......your obsessed with tyson fury and I just don't understand what you see....lol....if your gonna get obsessed with a fighter do it with a Chico Gonzales or a sugar ray leonard....then I cant dispute your views...but fury do me a favour....if he gets past klitchko which I'm not sure he will...he will lose to a wilder ...he has no right being world champion and I'm not sure if it's some wind up by the boxing gods lol.....terrible technique ...terrible physique and just plain terrible .....your brain is damaged it must beComment
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What you're saying is absolutely insane. Yes he's a huge guy and yes he's fast but to say that's all that makes him effective is insane. It's like trying to dismiss the skills of someone like Ali who was also big and insanely fast. Did he have no skills either and was just a physical freak? Fury struggled early on in his career because he always came in fat, overweight and uninterested.I'll start from ze end;
The reason why no one else has done that is because there isn't another 6ft9 heavyweight that moves like a 5ft9 welterweight. Fury is very physically gifted, quick hands and quick feet and a 6ft9 frame to go with it - that is incredible.
Fury has some level of skill as all boxers do but it's nonsense to list that as one of his advantages. The reason why he struggled early on is because of his lack of skills and his inability to use his height. No one ever thinks 'Christ, look at the skills Fury is displaying' No, they say 'Christ, look at the size of that man who moves like that. Look at how fast his hands are too'.
Did Klitschko even land a shot?
I don't think it's fair to say anything of Fury's chin after going 12 with such a tentative and scared Wlad. Regarding Cunningham it shows that despite all these fancy performances he still comes undone at times and tremendously so. He has always been and always will be a sucker for the overhand right, you cannot miss him with that. That's because he isn't skilful in defence and isn't skilful in footwork.
Watch when Fury fights someone who comes to fight and is competent, he will have to dig deep every time he fights a decent contender 'cause he lacks the skill but certainly doesn't lack the heart or workrate. I honestly see someone like Carlos Takam dethroning Fury. We'll have to wait and see, words are meaningless.
WK didn't land many punches but he land a few, particularly in the 12th. He landed a fully powered left hook that he shot coiled up and it had no effect on Fury. I agree Fury is a sucker for the overhand, I don't think he has a chin issue, he just gets caught with flash punches like that. If you don't think he is skilled in footwork or defense the you're crazy, one of the reason why WK didn't land often was because of his movement and his defense. Did you see him ducking and dodging WK's punches? Him rolling underneath his jab? This is a man 6'9 ffs!
Yes words are words and we'll see in good time. Fury may not look very good to most but he's very effective and brings a good game plan. He's very adaptable and he'll find a way to beat anyone.Comment
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There's just no getting through to a brain dead moron like you. If the guy he beat was so bad, why didn't anyone else beat him? I'm not claiming he's so ATG or something but he's far better then then the entire hw division which is stacked full of bums atm and hype jobs like Joshua atm.Comment
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I'm not even going to entertain you comparing Ali to Fury, fucking hell...
No, Fury didn't struggle because he was overweight. He could've been overweight and breezed pass the likes of John McDermott had he realised he could touch him half way across the ring. In fact that is what really impressed me about him 'cause he wasn't in great shape for the second fight but his workrate was amazing.
I don't think you're too sure of what skill means. Any **** can stand at range and move around, any 6ft9 **** can pull back in a straight line and dodge a punch against a smaller man. He moves well because he's quick not because he's skilful. The reason why he gets caught with those overhand rights is because his footwork and defence isn't skilful.Comment
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It takes skill to gauge distance and keep your opponent out of range while you land your punches. If you're overweight and untrained he that becomes a whole lot harder as moving becomes much more difficult and your timing is off. this effects you defence, offence, everything.Comment
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