Comments Thread For: Nelson Says HBO Will Have Open Door To All Promoters

[bigdunny1]

If you can't see the difference between HBO saying we will agree to cotto vs geale 1 mismatch if you cotto agree to fight canelo after that. Compared to endless stream of mismatches with no assurance that a tough fight will be agreed to next. That's why you end up with for example khan and stevenson each fighting 4-5 straight mismatch fights since signing with haymon. Not one mismatch before taking a tough fight we talking 5 fights, years straight of mismatches despite haymon having in house fighters they could face or other promoter top fighters. Both fought much tougher fights prior to signing with haymon. Since signing to haymon neither guy will face any of the fighters the fans want to see them fight. That's the problem HBO and many fans have with Haymon.

[bigdunny1]

The reality is Haymon has had what I've referred to as "unofficial PBC" fights on Showtime since April or May. There have been 6 or so of them already. Showtime is in on the PBC plan. Espinoza said that at the beginning basically & its been true & continues being true. Idk why HBO couldn't be a similar ally in that regard.

You couldn't be more wrong. Showtime has nothing to do with PBC. Matter fact if PBC succeeds then Showtime is out of business. Haymons plan is to cut out premium cable. The only reason showtime doesn't speak up is because haymon has stripped them of all their dignity. He took all his fightets off showtime and left them for dead the entire first half of the year. How the hell is that good for showtime? And only after PBC ratings tanked did he bring some fighters back to showtime because he couldn't afford to pay them with PBC investor money. Showtime is not part of the PBC plan but they got screwed by haymon and have none of them fighters under contract so they have no choice to quietly let this all play out and take whatever scraps haymon throws their way even while everyone knows if he succeeds they will be left out in the cold. Haymon wants to turn PBC into its own league like UFC and have a network deal if he gets that what the F does he need showtime for? He doesn't even let his PBC announcers mentioned showtime fights yet you think they are part of the PBC plan? lol

[Rich2123]

And only after PBC ratings tanked did he bring some fighters back to showtime because he couldn't afford to pay them with PBC investor money

This is the only scenario where I can really see PBC fighters on HBO. If they need the money to keep PBC afloat, I think you could see those real big time fights finally get made

[285Kid]

Why would PBC guys go to HBO they not going to get the same check they get now to fight C & D level guys... HBO is going to want big fights

[Eff Pandas]

You couldn't be more wrong. Showtime has nothing to do with PBC.

I can see how you would say that. The cards weren't advertised in anyway as PBC shows, but neither is the Jacobs vs Quillin fight, but they are FILLED with all PBC/Haymon fighters. Thats why I've been calling them unofficial PBC cards. So technically you are right although if you got 20 PBC fighters on a card you can call it whatever you want but its a PBC card.

Matter fact if PBC succeeds then Showtime is out of business. Haymons plan is to cut out premium cable.

I think you are talking like you been hiding in Haymon's house again. From most accounts I've heard Haymon is anti-PPV. I've personally never read anything that suggests he's anti-premium cable. I don't see why Showtime couldn't co-exist in a PBC world.

He took all his fightets off showtime and left them for dead the entire first half of the year. How the hell is that good for showtime?

Again you are just making **** up to fit the narrative you wanna hold. Fonfora vs Chavez Jr happened on Showtime in April. Wilder had a HW title defense on Showtime in June. There was a PBC prospects card on Showtime in June. There was a Showtime/CBS dual show that included Carl Frampton, Chavez Jr & Amir Imam in July. Broner won his 4th title on Showtime in October. There was another PBC prospects card on Showtime just a couple weeks back where Frank Galarza got upset. James DeGale beat Lucian Bute on Showtime last weekend. And this weekend Peter Quillin vs Daniel Jacobs happens on Showtime. Showtime & PBC are homies bruh. Like it or not.

[R_Walken]

Haymon is trying to take control of the sport. Slowly but surely. Part of that process is starving off HBO's fighters so they struggle to find marketable opponents. It doesn't make any sense for Haymon to make one off fights on HBO because all it would do is bail HBO out when they're in a jam.

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[bigdunny1]

Between what Feb till Sept there was almost no boxing content on showtime other then a 1 off fight here and there. This was not by design and a huge contrast from previous years on showtime. And again haymon fighter on showtime has nothing to do with PBC it's just another platform for haymon. But PBC is its own entity with a business plan that is counter to showtime. And once PBC started flopping you see all those fighters on PBC now on showtime and less star power on PBC. This is not some grand master plan but a response to PBC losing money and haymon trying to find his guys fights while limiting the money PBC loses. If PBC is successful and haymon has unlimited access to fight dates on network TV why does he need showtime? Answer that question??? The simple answer he doesn't. If haymon creates his own league and belts like UFC why does haymon need showtime? If showtime is part of the plan then why not promote his fighters fighting on showtime? Instead PBC broadcast only talk about PBC upcoming fights no mention of showtime. You think showtime which aired all those santa cruz mismatches liked seeing his first real fight on ESPN instead of showtime? How many millions did they pay building up santa cruz and he finally steps up and they werent involved. And why not put up PBC banners during showtime fights if they are all one big team? Showtime works with haymon because they have no choice without haymon they have no fighters signed and it will look like the first half of this year. So they are stuck having to keep working with the man who disrespects them openly with a platform that is trying to put them out of business lol

They work together because they have to but both have separate business plans. If showtime had access to other fighters this wouldn't exist. And if PBC were more successful haymon wouldn't be going back to showtime.

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon is trying to take control of the sport. Slowly but surely. Part of that process is starving off HBO's fighters so they struggle to find marketable opponents. It doesn't make any sense for Haymon to make one off fights on HBO because all it would do is bail HBO out when they're in a jam.

How is that bailing out HBO?

First off I don't think PBC & HBO Boxing have to be enemies. If PBC is having "non official PBC" fights on Showtime why couldn't those same type of shows go down on HBO?

Second even if they are enemies it would seem like a good strategy to weaken HBO more is use their already dwindling budget to pay PBC fighters who are ultimately unaffiliated with HBO long term. That takes money away from HBO exclusive fighters & puts more money into the PBC players hands who can wake away at any time & fight on various networks.

And third I standby that I don't think HBO is around in 10 years whatever Haymon does. Best case its not around like its been with monthly shows. Maybe HBO boxing will be PPV & TruTV only or they will have 4 shows a year like they used to in the 70's & ****, but their budget thats been slowly dropping for damn near 20 years suggests to me HBO will eventually get out of the boxing business.

[OnePunch]

Between what Feb till Sept there was almost no boxing content on showtime other then a 1 off fight here and there. This was not by design and a huge contrast from previous years on showtime. And again haymon fighter on showtime has nothing to do with PBC it's just another platform for haymon. But PBC is its own entity with a business plan that is counter to showtime. And once PBC started flopping you see all those fighters on PBC now on showtime and less star power on PBC. This is not some grand master plan but a response to PBC losing money and haymon trying to find his guys fights while limiting the money PBC loses. If PBC is successful and haymon has unlimited access to fight dates on network TV why does he need showtime? Answer that question??? The simple answer he doesn't. If haymon creates his own league and belts like UFC why does haymon need showtime? If showtime is part of the plan then why not promote his fighters fighting on showtime? Instead PBC broadcast only talk about PBC upcoming fights no mention of showtime. You think showtime which aired all those santa cruz mismatches liked seeing his first real fight on ESPN instead of showtime? How many millions did they pay building up santa cruz and he finally steps up and they werent involved. And why not put up PBC banners during showtime fights if they are all one big team? Showtime works with haymon because they have no choice without haymon they have no fighters signed and it will look like the first half of this year. So they are stuck having to keep working with the man who disrespects them openly with a platform that is trying to put them out of business lol

They work together because they have to but both have separate business plans. If showtime had access to other fighters this wouldn't exist. And if PBC were more successful haymon wouldn't be going back to showtime.

I agreed with you up to this point. But Showtime has a checkbook. And as long as someone has a checkbook, they can buy fights. Do you think for 1 second if Espinosa called Arum or Oscar offering them dates they wouldnt take them?? cmon man........

[bigdunny1]

Second even if they are enemies it would seem like a good strategy to weaken HBO more is use their already dwindling budget to pay PBC fighters who are ultimately unaffiliated with HBO long term. That takes money away from HBO exclusive fighters & puts more money into the PBC players hands who can wake away at any time & fight on various networks.

The difference is showtime got in bed with haymon years earlier and are completely dependant on his pool of fighters none of which are signed. HBO has all the best fighters in the world all signed and does not need haymon. So he has no leverage over HBO and has all the leverage over showtime. HBO will not pay for mismatches like showtime is forced to pay. And HBO has the more talented fighters so if you haymon why put your fighters on HBO to likely lose? Rather keep them in fights against weaker competition where you control everything.