Comments Thread For: Nelson Says HBO Will Have Open Door To All Promoters

[Chuckguy]

Did Nelson practice law? Clever answer

Yeah but not as good as haymon
Let's hope we get some big fights

[bigdunny1]

So you think Haymon is going to stop putting fights on CBS and Showtime?

Seriously.

PBC has nothing to do with showtime. The plan is to eliminate premium cable and air fights on network tv. So how does this benefit showtime? PBC launching has done nothing but kill showtime ratings, remove about 6 months of programming from showtime and leave them devoid of any stars you identify with showtime. Anyone acting like showtime is part of the PBC plan is foolish. Haymon works with them on need only basis. Right now he needs them to pay for fights too expensive for PBC investors. Showtime works with haymon because he screwed them over and they have access to no other fighters so they have to let him do what he wants. If PBC were successful this year haymon don't take his top fighters back to showtime. If PBC turns the corner and is successful next year he has no reason to put his top fighters on showtime. If showtime were part of the PBC plan you would see PBC banners on showtime and they would mention and promote showtime fights on PBC network broadcasts. Instead no mention of any haymon fighters on showtime because they are separate en****** haymon works with.

[IMDAZED]

PBC has nothing to do with showtime. The plan is to eliminate premium cable and air fights on network tv. So how does this benefit showtime? PBC launching has done nothing but kill showtime ratings, remove about 6 months of programming from showtime and leave them devoid of any stars you identify with showtime. Anyone acting like showtime is part of the PBC plan is foolish. Haymon works with them on need only basis. Right now he needs them to pay for fights too expensive for PBC investors. Showtime works with haymon because he screwed them over and they have access to no other fighters so they have to let him do what he wants. If PBC were successful this year haymon don't take his top fighters back to showtime. If PBC turns the corner and is successful next year he has no reason to put his top fighters on showtime. If showtime were part of the PBC plan you would see PBC banners on showtime and they would mention and promote showtime fights on PBC network broadcasts. Instead no mention of any haymon fighters on showtime because they are separate en****** haymon works with.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ies-coming-cbs

Adviser/manager Al Haymon's grip on American televised boxing got even stronger with Tuesday's announcement that his "Premier Boxing Champions" series is coming to CBS as part of a multiyear deal that also will have Haymon's fights continuing to air on CBS-owned Showtime.

While the CBS aspect of the agreement is believed to be a similar time-buy deal as Haymon has with NBC and Spike TV, Showtime will continue "to pay its traditional license fees" for its "Showtime Championship Boxing" series, according to a source familiar with the deal. CBS and Showtime, however, will cross-promote their events.

Is that clear enough for you?

[bigdunny1]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ies-coming-cbs

Adviser/manager Al Haymon's grip on American televised boxing got even stronger with Tuesday's announcement that his "Premier Boxing Champions" series is coming to CBS as part of a multiyear deal that also will have Haymon's fights continuing to air on CBS-owned Showtime.

While the CBS aspect of the agreement is believed to be a similar time-buy deal as Haymon has with NBC and Spike TV, Showtime will continue "to pay its traditional license fees" for its "Showtime Championship Boxing" series, according to a source familiar with the deal. CBS and Showtime, however, will cross-promote their events.

Is that clear enough for you?

According to a source yet all year I have seen no cross promotion between PBC and showtime boxing. Seems that source got that wrong. lol Again answer my question if haymon Succeeds in what he is trying to do with PBC where does that leave showtime? What does haymon need showtime for if he has a network tv deal and all the air time? I have not seen anything released from showtime or PBC stated they are business partners. And nothing from how they operate states this. They both work with haymon seperately. And the best you have is old news article with sources saying what they think might happen but clearly has not actually happened lol

Showtime has been weakened by the presence of PBC by every measureable you can think of. But sure keep thinking showtime is part of the PBC plan if it helps you sleep better

[HAY-B]

You couldn't be more wrong. Showtime has nothing to do with PBC. Matter fact if PBC succeeds then Showtime is out of business. Haymons plan is to cut out premium cable. The only reason showtime doesn't speak up is because haymon has stripped them of all their dignity. He took all his fightets off showtime and left them for dead the entire first half of the year. How the hell is that good for showtime? And only after PBC ratings tanked did he bring some fighters back to showtime because he couldn't afford to pay them with PBC investor money. Showtime is not part of the PBC plan but they got screwed by haymon and have none of them fighters under contract so they have no choice to quietly let this all play out and take whatever scraps haymon throws their way even while everyone knows if he succeeds they will be left out in the cold. Haymon wants to turn PBC into its own league like UFC and have a network deal if he gets that what the F does he need showtime for? He doesn't even let his PBC announcers mentioned showtime fights yet you think they are part of the PBC plan? lol

Dude you're letting your biases get the best of you. The sho fights haymon on are not called pbc because sho has purchased the broadcast rights thus making it a sho event. Next how do you know what's going on with pbcs books. You don't. Common sense would tell you that no business person is going to give away all of his best products. What haymon is doing is putting very few good fights on his time buys and selling the better or best fights to sho. Don't expect to see premium fights on time buy broadcast. That's dumb business to give away your best and even dumber business to pay to give away your best.
If a fight between pbc fighters gets enough Buzz then he's selling that fight to sho .
Also if TR or GBP were to make a fight with a haymon fighter now that would be damaging to their lawsuits. Don't expect to see a haymon fighter against a TR or GBP fighter unless the fight has the potential to do May vs.Pac money because a fight of that magnitude exceeds the amount they are suing haymon for .
When the time buys are up haymon will make deals with whatever networks are willing to pay for the content . what you'll find is lesser know fighters will be on network tv and as their popularity rises then they'll be fighting on Showtime. If a particular fighter or fighters can develop a serious fan base then those fighters will progress to ppv.
The only way pbc fails is if the industry black balls haymon and I highly doubt that happens . but hey it's a free world and its your right to believe what you want.

[IMDAZED]

According to a source yet all year I have seen no cross promotion between PBC and showtime boxing. Seems that source got that wrong. lol Again answer my question if haymon Succeeds in what he is trying to do with PBC where does that leave showtime? What does haymon need showtime for if he has a network tv deal and all the air time? I have not seen anything released from showtime or PBC stated they are business partners. And nothing from how they operate states this. They both work with haymon seperately. And the best you have is old news article with sources saying what they think might happen but clearly has not actually happened lol

Showtime has been weakened by the presence of PBC by every measureable you can think of. But sure keep thinking showtime is part of the PBC plan if it helps you sleep better

So you're just going to pretend that the only thing you read was about cross promotion. LOL. Try reading the rest.

[OnePunch]

Dude you're letting your biases get the best of you. The sho fights haymon on are not called pbc because sho has purchased the broadcast rights thus making it a sho event. Next how do you know what's going on with pbcs books. You don't. Common sense would tell you that no business person is going to give away all of his best products. What haymon is doing is putting very few good fights on his time buys and selling the better or best fights to sho. Don't expect to see premium fights on time buy broadcast. That's dumb business to give away your best and even dumber business to pay to give away your best.
If a fight between pbc fighters gets enough Buzz then he's selling that fight to sho .
Also if TR or GBP were to make a fight with a haymon fighter now that would be damaging to their lawsuits. Don't expect to see a haymon fighter against a TR or GBP fighter unless the fight has the potential to do May vs.Pac money because a fight of that magnitude exceeds the amount they are suing haymon for .
When the time buys are up haymon will make deals with whatever networks are willing to pay for the content . what you'll find is lesser know fighters will be on network tv and as their popularity rises then they'll be fighting on Showtime. If a particular fighter or fighters can develop a serious fan base then those fighters will progress to ppv.
The only way pbc fails is if the industry black balls haymon and I highly doubt that happens . but hey it's a free world and its your right to believe what you want.

If Haymons main objective is to build ratings up for PBC to a point where networks would consider buying a content package, then only putting mediocre fights on PBC and selling the cream to Showtime would be very short sighted. He's not doing that......

[big_james10]

problem with hbo putting on the real fights is hbo dont put on enough

....and the fact that they aren't real fights, unless you are one of those people who thinks GGG vs Lemieux was a real fight.

[bigdunny1]

So you're just going to pretend that the only thing you read was about cross promotion. LOL. Try reading the rest.

What does anything else have to do with what we were talking about? You are trying to say showtime is a part of PBC. And it's not. And nothing you posted changes the fact that PBC has hurt showtime and it's not in showtime best interest for PBC to succeed. And there has been zero promotion of PBC fights on showtime boxing and PBC refuses to acknowledge any haymon fighters on showtime boxing. They are operating as separate en******. CBS owns showtime so the best you could hope for is those 2 helping each other but that's not the same as showtime being a part of PBC. They could care less if ESPN, NBC or any other network succeeds with PBC. And if we are honest they hope they fail so more fights come back to showtime. If haymons ultimate plan is reached and he creates his own UFC on network tv there is no more fights on showtime. Premium cable is fazed out by PBC if haymon has his way.

[HAY-B]

If Haymons main objective is to build ratings up for PBC to a point where networks would consider buying a content package, then only putting mediocre fights on PBC and selling the cream to Showtime would be very short sighted. He's not doing that......

I doubt you get fights like Garcia vs Khan or Thurman vs porter on a time buy. Now you'll get Garcia vs ghost or Thurman vs algeri on a time buy.
Lets say Thurman was to fight Spence brook or even Garcia. Those fights wi be in Showtime.
Its get the public familiar with the fighter on free tv/time buys and progress them with the better or biggest fights to Showtime. Give it time and watch it all play out