Comments Thread For: Peter Nelson Named Executive Vice President, HBO Sports

[OnePunch]

You didn't provide anything other than your opinion. I'm just trying to gauge how you are judging "over inflated".

Isn't value determined by whatever is agreed upon in negotiations?

not when one party has a financial interest in revenue of the 2nd party, and is using resources of yet a 3rd party. (I know I just lost IMDAZED, but oh well)

For example, lets say you have a car with a retail value of $10,000. Now I (using someone else's money, and they dont care if they lose it) offer you $20,000 for the car, as long as you give me back $4,000 of it. Of course you say yes, because $16,000 is still more than $10,000.

But in the end, the car is still only worth $10,000 on the retail market, despite how much I overpaid

[IMDAZED]

not when one party has a financial interest in revenue of the 2nd party, and is using resources of yet a 3rd party. (I know I just lost IMDAZED, but oh well)

For example, lets say you have a car with a retail value of $10,000. Now I (using someone else's money, and they dont care if they lose it) offer you $20,000 for the car, as long as you give me back $4,000 of it. Of course you say yes, because $16,000 is still more than $10,000.

But in the end, the car is still only worth $10,000 on the retail market

Don't make me laugh. Is this the best you got?

[OnePunch]

Don't make me laugh. Is this the best you got?

You're still ducking the question I asked 10 posts ago.

Do you feel that the $1 million purse that Lara got to fight Delvin Rodriguez was:

A. Over-inflated

B. Representative of Lara's true market value

C. but but but but Haymon doe



Until you can answer this question, its pointless to continue trying to get you to understand simle economics......

[deanrw]

I don't pay attention to who leads what network etc. All I care about is more fights getting on the air.

I like HBO, but I am more interested in their yearly budget towards the sport. It seems to be declining over the past few years rather steeply. Non PPV fights seem like rare events now.

[IMDAZED]

You're still ducking the question I asked 10 posts ago.

Do you feel that the $1 million purse that Lara got to fight Delvin Rodriguez was:

A. Over-inflated

B. Representative of Lara's true market value

C. but but but but Haymon doe



Until you can answer this question, its pointless to continue trying to get you to understand simle economics......

You mean YOU still haven't answered the question.

You have to have a baseline before you can claim anything is under or overvalued. So I ASK AGAIN: What is YOUR baseline? What research have you done to know what Lara's true value is? How about market research on what networks dole to fighters?

I'm all ears. You gonna duck again?

[The Big Dunn]

not when one party has a financial interest in revenue of the 2nd party, and is using resources of yet a 3rd party. (I know I just lost IMDAZED, but oh well)

For example, lets say you have a car with a retail value of $10,000. Now I (using someone else's money, and they dont care if they lose it) offer you $20,000 for the car, as long as you give me back $4,000 of it. Of course you say yes, because $16,000 is still more than $10,000.

But in the end, the car is still only worth $10,000 on the retail market, despite how much I overpaid

Value is determined by the final contract agreement, not by the pre sale sticker because boxing matches have no pre sale sticker. The Lara fight had no $10,000 market retail price.

I get your point-if their was a bidding war bidding may not get up to $1 mil for a Lara fight. Then again, you could have a situation like the Povetkin/Wlad fight where the Russians bid a very high sum just to stage the fight in the USSR.

HBO can decide it doesn't want to pay a certain amount but they do not set the value either.

Its like an NBA deal-take Jeremy Lin. He was never really a $10 mil per year player, but his contract was back loaded in such a way that made him one so the other team couldn't match it. It wasn't so much his value but how much it hurt another team from having him.

Relative to boxing-Tim Bradley wasn't worth $6 mil but Arum desperately needed a good opponent for Manny so he gave him a deal but front loaded the deal to make sure Tim didn't get away from him.

There are almost always hidden reasons that drive a contract up or down. SO while again I understand your point its hard to use the tyerm "over inflated" when there is no pre set market retail price.

[Fetta]

I don't pay attention to who leads what network etc. All I care about is more fights getting on the air.

Im with you!!

I honestly didn't even know who Nelson was....kinda still don't

[OnePunch]

You mean YOU still haven't answered the question.

You have to have a baseline before you can claim anything is under or overvalued. So I ASK AGAIN: What is YOUR baseline? What research have you done to know what Lara's true value is?

I'm all ears. You gonna duck again?

well, considering a 15 year old COPS rerun delivers a MUCH better ROI for advertisers than a Lara fight does, I dont really think there is any dis*****g the fact that he was overpaid.

What I find hilarious is that in your never-ending quest to defend anything and everything Floyd/Haymon related, you would go to the length of claiming that PBC doesnt overpay their purses, which even the most pro-PBC person would admit they do. Whether its to attract talent, or raise their competitors operating costs, or to line Als pockets, pretty much any objective person can acknowledge that at the moment, PBC overpays their talent.

But not you. You dont see it. LOL. Whatever..........

[IMDAZED]

well, considering a 15 year old COPS rerun delivers a MUCH better ROI for advertisers than a Lara fight does, I dont really think there is any dis*****g the fact that he was overpaid.

What I find hilarious is that in your never-ending quest to defend anything and everything Floyd/Haymon related, you would go to the length of claiming that PBC doesnt overpay their purses, which even the most pro-PBC person would admit they do. Whether its to attract talent, or raise their competitors operating costs, or to line Als pockets, pretty much any objective person can acknowledge that at the moment, PBC overpays their talent.

But not you. You dont see it. LOL. Whatever..........

Delivers a much better ROI? Really? Point me to the section of the Q or K where you saw that.

Are you done pretending? Because you STILL haven't answered that question

[El-blanco]

You mean YOU still haven't answered the question.

You have to have a baseline before you can claim anything is under or overvalued. So I ASK AGAIN: What is YOUR baseline? What research have you done to know what Lara's true value is? How about market research on what networks dole to fighters?

I'm all ears. You gonna duck again?

I think the answer is simple. Did the event make or lose money. If the event lost money, which it appears it did because most events are based on the numbers that were released from that fund, then that proves Lara's valued was inflated. There is a long term plan involved but in simplest terms if you're paying more for a product than it brings in, it's overvalued.