Comments Thread For: Video: Abel Sanchez on GGG, Matthysse, Andre Ward

[Barcham]

Just for the record: My take is that GGG beats Andre Ward and beats him bad. Once Ward has fought GGG, he (Ward) will never again be the same fighter he once was. Ward will be lucky to avoid being knocked out.

I agree with you. I have never believed Ward would survive a fight with GGG or with Kovalev. That is why I have always been of the opinion that only one of those fights can ever happen because there will be no point in the other once Ward has been knocked out.

The ONLY chance Ward would have, is if the fight was held in Oakland and he is able to call all the shots. Then he could hold and clinch and head butt without being penalized for it. But even in that case, all he might achieve is angering Golovkin and that is not an advisable thing to do.

Also, the more time goes by and the more time Ward sits on the sidelines looking in, the more pointless this fight becomes. Even the most rabid Ward-tard must admit that he has to get his ass back in the ring, and soon. Against a valid title contender. If not, just follow Froch's lead and pull the plug.

[SugarRaRobinson]

When are Ward fans going to stop clamoring for a smallish MW as Ward CAN'T MAKE 168 anymore, he is a LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT! Now clamor for Superman or The Krusher. Or lose a bunch of weight if he can, fight some relevant fights and then he can get a shot at the P4P king maybe next year at 68.

So let me get this straight , your suggesting that Ward should first fight someone of relevance , to earn him a shot at fighting "himself" next ???

Your clearly a buffoon !

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Watch The deceptive things GGG haters say the contradict, but first

Let's chat with those who make reason based arguments.

Just for the record: My take is that GGG beats Andre Ward and beats him bad. Once Ward has fought GGG, he (Ward) will never again be the same fighter he once was. Ward will be lucky to avoid being knocked out.

This could very possibly be the case. Which is why Ward only seems to wasn't GGZg when dude is staying in 160 range.

Ward walks around at 180, fights at 185-190. He'll need that extra weight.

Martin Murray tried to hold against Golovkin but he quickly wised up to it. However, as much as Golovkin can adapt so can Ward. I agree, if this goes 12 rounds I can see Ward taking it but he'll need to be at his best so I don't begrudge him for having a warm-up or too.

This fight will happen I'm sure. I know there are those who don't want to see it; misguided Golovkin fanboys and petty haters and faux-Ward fans go just use his name to bash Golovkin, but when this fight happens I hope they will be at the top of their game.

People often sleep on GGG boxing skills, oh he uses his shoulder to create space.

When GGG throws a power shot, most people would be off balance for a second or two.

But GGG actually switches southpaw to quickly regain balance. It allows him to throw powerful shots in succession.

That's one of many reasons it's not clear Ward wins.

I agree, if Ward were to win, it would be by UD but even then, I can see GGG also winning by UD. a tough match-up for both, Ward has his height advantage but they actually have the same reach. Nonetheless, Ward has to build his name up again like you said and from what I am hearing he's heading toward the LH division; ”He (Ward) is working on a deal that if completed would have him on the card and as a light heavy. His days at 168 are done,” Dan Rafael via Friday ESPN chat.

Ward admittedly walks around at 180. He rehydrates to 185-190. This aiming after GGG is lame.

GGG fighting Ward would be big. But it's not the kind of thing you do for a non-PPV fight. It has to be worth the risk.

I honestly doubt Ward or GGG think about each other very often. The only reason we keep getting these quotes from their camps is because reporters keep asking the same questions repeatedly.

I think GGG and Ward have settled on the fact they aren't going to fight. Ward has other things to worry about anyway, like being more active..........

Ward's in la la land, every time he gets interviewed he says GGG's name. Because no one would be talking about him if not.

He is Cotto, Canelo fans saving grace. They want to play MW, but scared to face they MW.

So much interference in Able Liar's words and in your post it's ridiculous . Firstly , Canelo/Goldenboy have recently made strong statements suggesting that despite what gggs plans are , they will look in other directions before being forced to fight GGG next .

Cotto has also spewed similar verbiage . So despite gggs hedging game plan of hiding from Ward by pretending he's waiting for Canelo/Cotto winner to unify , neither fighter has confirmed any desire to fight GGG next if they win .

But this latest attempt to save face for GGG by saying that Ward didn't send the offer until after the Lemieux fight was signed is ALSO shenanigans , because u can just easily say that the offer came late , but you'll fight Ward next after the Lemieux fight if the Cotto/Canelo winner avoids us which is a viable possibility .

But they won't even say that , because the whole team is cowards !

GGG is the Mandatory to the belt Cotto/Canelo are fighting for.

GGG deserves a shot at the lineal MW championship.

Fighting a LHW who has no fan base is not even close to his best option.

It's the option haters want. Because they know Cotto and Canelo loses to him.

Canelo is 5 pounds heavier than GGG when fighting, but your ok with him vacating and fighting smaller guys.

What if GGG did the same thing, spanks Canelo, Andrade, Cotto at 154. I bet you'd be saying he is draining to fight small dude.

And he would be draining to fight strictly small dude, just like Canelo.

Good let Canelo and Cotto high tail their behinds back to JR.MW.

Neither is good enough to fight at MW-which in Canelo's case is pathetic. Since he is a legit MW.

Able Sanchez felt the need to provide yet more excuses as to why his fighter CLEARLY wants nothing to do with Andre Ward.

Why did they feel the need to fixate on the specific date that the Lemieux fight got signed, when Ward has been calling him out for years?

Is this official excuse #9 ?

Why doesn't Canelo fight Ward. Canelo supposedly has a better Resume, and is quite literally heavier than GGG.

Ward had two chance to fight GGG.

Ward finally sends a contract that's for 16 months later.

A PR stunt by a desperate has been.

My take is.....

I have never heard anyone suggest that GGG could beat Ward comfortably.

In fact, I have very rarely heard a Golovkin fan even suggest that Gennady could beat Ward, period.

This new take that has recently developed on Ward, seems to be popular now that Lemieux is signed and now that everybody knows that the Cotto/Canelo winner will likely be next for Golovkin..... to be honest, before then, I cant recall a Golovkin fan actually saying that Gennady could beat Ward.

It will never happen.

Ward needs to move on.

Well there are three in this thread alone! All reason based! Except one, but hey.

I agree with you. I have never believed Ward would survive a fight with GGG or with Kovalev. That is why I have always been of the opinion that only one of those fights can ever happen because there will be no point in the other once Ward has been knocked out.

The ONLY chance Ward would have, is if the fight was held in Oakland and he is able to call all the shots. Then he could hold and clinch and head butt without being penalized for it. But even in that case, all he might achieve is angering Golovkin and that is not an advisable thing to do.

Also, the more time goes by and the more time Ward sits on the sidelines looking in, the more pointless this fight becomes. Even the most rabid Ward-tard must admit that he has to get his ass back in the ring, and soon. Against a valid title contender. If not, just follow Froch's lead and pull the plug.

Ward is fighting damn tune-ups for another year. He must feel he can't hang with guys his own weight.

If GGG was calling out Bradley, these haters would have a field day.

But Ward is great.

CoWard is right. Fight a legit fighter at his own weight. Like this decade.

[SugarRaRobinson]

Able Sanchez felt the need to provide yet more excuses as to why his fighter CLEARLY wants nothing to do with Andre Ward.

Why did they feel the need to fixate on the specific date that the Lemieux fight got signed, when Ward has been calling him out for years?

Is this official excuse #9 ?

Actually I think it's 10 , let me count

1) we asked for the fight already "when he couldn't fight" but he turned us down

2)were all booked up after Lemeiux , with no assurances

3)50/50 and a 164 catch weight

4)Ward needs to decide which weight he wants to fight at (never mind the fact that he said he wants us at 168)

5) He's not a draw , no money in it for us , but lots of money in fighting Monroe

6) he's bluffing because he sent the offer after the Lemieux signing . (Never mind that fact we could agree to fight him next if no Cotto or Alvarez

7) 50/50 is no longer acceptable because now GGG is a ppl star . (Never mind we haven't seen the ppv #'s yet)

8) I'll fight anyone at 168 , except Ward

9) Andre....... Maybe 2015 .....maybe 2016 ......2017 .........maybe 2018

10) "Andre too much for me right now" , I actually respect this reason

[Progrssive_Jedi]

So let me get this straight , your suggesting that Ward should first fight someone of relevance , to earn him a shot at fighting "himself" next ???

Your clearly a buffoon !

You're kinda slow here. He was saying why isn't Ward making moves at his weight instead of fighting a smaller MW, who is smaller than Canelo.

Ward could if fought the catch weight, or the first time they had offered a fight, that Ward turned down.

Instead, Ward waits until GGG is getting belts, PPV, and being the mandatory to the lineal crown.

Even then Ward tries to tie GGG into a year long contract. For 50/50, each fighting one tune-up.

GGG fights 4 times a year, Ward fights once. Ward wanted to tie GGG's hands. Boy is blowing up, and Ward can't handle it.

Not GGG's fault watching Ward is like pulling teeth.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Actually I think it's 10 , let me count

1) we asked for the fight already "when he couldn't fight" but he turned us down

2)were all booked up after Lemeiux , with no assurances

3)50/50 and a 164 catch weight

4)Ward needs to decide which weight he wants to fight at (never mind the fact that he said he wants us at 168)

5) He's not a draw , no money in it for us , but lots of money in fighting Monroe

6) he's bluffing because he sent the offer after the Lemieux signing . (Never mind that fact we could agree to fight him next if no Cotto or Alvarez

7) 50/50 is no longer acceptable because now GGG is a ppl star . (Never mind we haven't seen the ppv #'s yet)

8) I'll fight anyone at 168 , except Ward

9) Andre....... Maybe 2015 .....maybe 2016 ......2017 .........maybe 2018

10) "Andre too much for me right now" , I actually respect this reason

Reading challenged. Ward is a LHW who offered to fight in the fall of 2016.

The fact you keep glossing over that is telling.

Not even Ward asked for the fight to be after Lemieux.

Anymore so called facts you wanna make up.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

GGG haters be like

he sucks, but

He needs to fight Ward, who is supposedly great.

So a sucky GGG should fight a guy who fights 15-20 pounds heavier.

Hmm, something doesn't smell right.

[Mr.Daddy]

Able Sanchez felt the need to provide yet more excuses as to why his fighter CLEARLY wants nothing to do with Andre Ward.

Why did they feel the need to fixate on the specific date that the Lemieux fight got signed, when Ward has been calling him out for years?

Is this official excuse #9 ?

Ward hasn't been calling out GGG for years. In the past 23 months, Ward has only fought Paul Smith. Earlier this year in discussion with HBO, Ward declined to sign to fight GGG, yet at the same time, GGG wanted to fight Ward. For whatever reason Ward declined the fight.

[aboutfkntime]

Ward hasn't been calling out GGG for years. In the past 23 months, Ward has only fought Paul Smith. Earlier this year in discussion with HBO, Ward declined to sign to fight GGG, yet at the same time, GGG wanted to fight Ward. For whatever reason Ward declined the fight.

Thats not what I heard.....

"Ward pointed the finger at WBA Super World middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin before the show had begun, calling on the Kazakh to stop hiding behind his promoter, trainer, and step up to fight him."

http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-to-golovkin-stop-hiding-and-fight-me-lets-make-it-happen/48064?var=no

Ward in recent times, actually dating back to last year, has called out Golovkin and stated he would be willing to fight boxing’s boogeyman..... Golovkin’s trainer Abel Sanchez however has other plans. As reported by BoxingScene.com, Sanchez was quoted as saying, “[Ward] is not relevant.”

Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler echoed the same sentiment, seemingly dodging the possibly of matching his prized fighter against Ward.....
http://www.*************.com/columns...ins-boogeyman/

“Golovkin is not calling me out,” Ward, who signed with Jay-Z’s Roc Nation Sports earlier this year, told USA TODAY Sports. “It’s been people who been paid to say the things they say – his trainer and his promoter. They’re trying to control the narrative, they want Golovkin to sit there and smile and wave and then they want to talk tough, and then when I respond, I look like the bad guy. But through the lawsuit and everything else, I was adamant and clear that we can fight, we can do it now.

“I’m available, and the fact that the narrative is twisted and people don’t know the truth, that’s what bothers me,” Ward, 31, continued. “The reality is I can only come on the record so many times. They keep using my name because they have to answer the Andre Ward question, even when they’re at their own post-fight press conference.".....

http://boxingjunkie.com/2015/06/15/andre-ward-its-one-excuse-after-another-with-gennady-golovkin/

"This it the thing. I'm a very respectful fighter and try not to get out of character and start talking crazy. If you really don't want to fight a fighter or its not a good style or not the right to do it - then say that. I have a problem with the trainer, who gets paid to say what he's supposed to say and the promoter gets paid to say those things. The truth is, they never wanted the fight and I've been saying that for two years," Ward told Fight Hub.".....
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...kin_fans_were/

http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-ward-golovkin-8-9-different-excuses--92249

[kafkod]

So much interference in Able Liar's words and in your post it's ridiculous . Firstly , Canelo/Goldenboy have recently made strong statements suggesting that despite what gggs plans are , they will look in other directions before being forced to fight GGG next .

Cotto has also spewed similar verbiage . So despite gggs hedging game plan of hiding from Ward by pretending he's waiting for Canelo/Cotto winner to unify , neither fighter has confirmed any desire to fight GGG next if they win .

But this latest attempt to save face for GGG by saying that Ward didn't send the offer until after the Lemieux fight was signed is ALSO shenanigans , because u can just easily say that the offer came late , but you'll fight Ward next after the Lemieux fight if the Cotto/Canelo winner avoids us which is a viable possibility .

But they won't even say that , because the whole team is cowards !

Able Sanchez felt the need to provide yet more excuses as to why his fighter CLEARLY wants nothing to do with Andre Ward.

Why did they feel the need to fixate on the specific date that the Lemieux fight got signed, when Ward has been calling him out for years?

Is this official excuse #9 ?

The definition of a moron is someone with an IQ between 50 and 70.

If you two jokers added your IQ scores together, you might just qualify.