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Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi View PostWhat does it say about a person they attack personally!
Oh crap, I forgot, you struggle with the fallacy.
It must be tough being one of the enlightened few. Talking all tough on a internet forum threads, to guys you'll never know, never truly be in danger of having to put your hands on. All the while clearly lacking significant rhetorical skills, not to mention an coherent argument.
Since you probably don't get it, let me point it out for you:
"Educated nerds" LOL! Did you think about that before you typed?
No amount of backwards reasoning, or attempting to turn critical thinking or deductive reasoning into a pejorative will strengthen Ward or your argument.
It's whack, yo! (Is that better, did I dumb it down enough for you?)
THE BEST IN THE SPORT, who the heck has Ward fought in two years that gives him that claim. He isn't even ranked in top ten P4P. I guess you know better that all those pesky P4P list.
After Ward's layoff, no one knows how good he still is. He's always been a lame Floyd clone. But hey, that's greatness.
His last fight he didn't look that great. He fought an overweight body.
GGG would have hurt that guy.
Ward isn't an A-Side fighter any longer. No one has to duck him because he is a joke. Hence why he lost is P4P status, and is begging for a GGG fight.
GGG will fight Ward when Ward brings some cash, not when he can't get anyone to watch him. Period.
Since you believe I'm attempting to sound smart, you gave away the game (yo).
Let me guess, college is for nerds.
Attempting to sound smart! Not really, I just have trouble dumbing down style so you can follow along apparently.
If pointing out fallacious thinking, and poor deductive reasoning makes me a nerd, well so be it.
I did just switch over from Starwars Episode 7 Forum after all.
However, let me enlightened one of the enlightened few, attacking me personally only accomplishes one thing, proving your argument is WEAK.
No, he hates GGG, and can only find one person who last fought at 172 that he thinks can beat him.
He on one hand believes GGG sucks, but Ward is one of the best in boxing.
But then think this sucky GGG should forgo money, and unification fights to go box Ward on BET.
He knows Ward would use that extra weight to hug GGG all night. It's the only chance the haters have.
This isn't about Ward, if the two were in opposite situations, they'd be ripping GGG a new one.nah...college is a good thing bro...it's a place or institution where we can obtain certain information....so it's really cool to attend college, but for your information, information is NOT knowledge....and no, you don't have to dumb anything down when conferring with me....I'm not a cyber tough guy or some type of spurious individual...as far as hands getting put on me, stop being so imbecilic....I slap dudes like you for fun lol
As I stated before, save all that sheep **** for the sheep jerk circle you dudes be having on here....I'm a WOLF bro...I know that you know that Lil G is inferior to Ward...Lil G is a tune up for Ward....the only threat to Ward is Krusher....I don't HATE any boxer....I dislike a few but that's not the same as hate...just like information is not the same as knowledge....hate would have me HOPING that borderline Canadian bum would some how score the upset over Lil G....I got Lil G winning and I HOPE Lil G scores an impressive KO....so miss me with the hate bs
Lil G is a high profile TUNE UP for Ward before stepping up to face the best LHW on the planet and his biggest threat...NOTHING MORE!!....sorry, but the wolves don't see Lil G through sheep eyes bro....I'm not trying to sound like some enlightened ****head, in fact I'm a VERY unpretentious dude...I just don't like when people like yourself attempt to manipulate others into believing things that are NOT true
You can bash Ward all day and night...but it doesn't change the fact that the wolves who love this SPORT more than any particular fighter, will continue to speak out and toss our two pennies around when the sheep get outta pocket with that preposterous ass **** you dudes be spreading on the forum
Ward divulged to the wolves who Lil' G really is...and you HATE him for it!!
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I'm a big GGG fan and i always make sure i watch every one of his fights but in all honesty, Ward would comfortably beat GGG on points. Literally out move and out-think GGG. Same goes for Kovalev too, Ward would embarrass him in the ring, Kovalev would swing and miss so much you would think he was blindfolded. After Floyd's retirement, Ward is skill wise the best P4P fighter.
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Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View PostGolovkin hasn't fought a legitimate opponent his entire career
You know what a bullshitter Ward is from the way he pissed Froch and Kessler around over giving them rematches.
But now he can do no wrong in your eyes and every word that passes his lips is gospel truth. GTFOH.
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Originally posted by English Lion View PostI'm a big GGG fan and i always make sure i watch every one of his fights but in all honesty, Ward would comfortably beat GGG on points. Literally out move and out-think GGG. Same goes for Kovalev too, Ward would embarrass him in the ring, Kovalev would swing and miss so much you would think he was blindfolded. After Floyd's retirement, Ward is skill wise the best P4P fighter.
Look at his amateur record. It's almost at Rigo, Loma's level. GGG has a lot of skill and is a very intelligent fighter. But many people don't see it. All they see is his power.
Same with Kovalev. A very intelligent, skillful boxer, who also happens to have bone-crushing power.
Ward can't break an egg, which is why he needs all those spoiling, holding, head-butting tricks he uses.
Trust me, Kovalev would either KO him or have him running for his life the whole fight, like BHop.
It's a waste of time talking about Ward/Kovalev though.
Roc and and Duva can talk about it all they like. But Ward won't fight Kovalev. It's not in his nature to take a challenge like that.Last edited by kafkod; 09-16-2015, 05:38 AM.
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Originally posted by daggum View Posthe's the best based on what though? because he was good 4 years ago? lots of things happen in 4 years. there have been 4 different super bowls since then. a lot has changed. the present trumps the past when doing rankings. nostalgia alert!
he had a layoff because of ducking and being selfish. don't get it twisted. it was 100 percent his fault. he was offered great money fights with top guys(bute, stevenson, froch 2) and he refused. while he was doing this he tried to fight truax, sartison, periban, and pavlik. Hbo turned down those bums cept pavlik but that fight was cancelled. its pretty clear he didn't want to fight anyone good. he got his 2 million guarantee then tried to fight easy fighters over and over to collect that money but hbo didn't let him thankfully. now he has that same guarantee and look who he's fighting(paul smith and zac dunn)
ok he's in talks...but he's not doing it. how comes he's not fighting anyone good in his own division while he waits? why does he get a free pass because of what he did 4-6 years ago?
over the last 4 years they are much more accomplished. how far back do you want to go? 4 years is a damn long time. we don't rank people based on total accomplishments otherwise guys like toney and roy would still be on the list. they haven't proven themselves in years and either has ward. why does ward get special points just because he hasn't taken any risks?
technically sound? well he can't even throw a right hand but besides that he's also a guy who cheats and clinches constantly. shouldn't that hurt him?
He had a layoff because of contract issues. That you think he ducked anybody just shows that you don't like the guy. How can he duck Froch when he beat Froch? I'll give you being selfish (which he had the right to be in Froch's case, considering that he boxed his socks off), but saying he ducked anybody borders on idiocy. And he's not fighting anyone good in his division well... because he kinda beat them all before he had the layoff. Who at 168 poses any sort of threat to Ward?
Yes, he's in talks. He just had a fight a few months ago, and has been trying to get a deal signed with GGG. Now his team is talking with Kovalev's team. Give it time.
Yes, technically sound. Regardless of what you think of his style, he's dismantled every top fighter he's been in the ring with, and he's been in with a few, unlike the guys below him on the P4P list. He doesn't get hit much, is super accurate, and doesn't rely on brute force to win fights. Unless he's lost a major step, he's arguably a better boxer than everyone else on the P4P list. Sorry if that hurts.
EDIT: Ward was gone for roughly 18 months, not 3 years. He fought Edwin Rodriguez (a top 10 SMW) in November of 2013, and returned June 2015. Floyd Mayweather was gone for roughly the same amount of time (after declaring retirement), and re-entered many rankings at #1 or #2. Ability obviously plays a factor in placement on the list.Last edited by doom_specialist; 09-16-2015, 05:45 AM.
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Team GGG brought this on themselves.
They arent fighting Ward. Even if Ward came down to 160 and accepted 30% of the purse, they still wouldnt fight him. They know it, everyone knows else knows it too, they should have never mentioned Ward in the first place.
Honest fans can just admit that GGG wont fight Ward when the risk/reward ratio is so lopsided in the other fights available to GGG.
GGG will take the easier fights first. Period. He has a lottery ticket waiting for him in the form of 2 high profile JMW. Getting beat up by Ward is the only thing that can stop him from cashing in.
No shame in that. I would do the same to be honest. Its just that its time for team GGG and his fans to STFU about Ward. You know he wont take it under any circumstances so STFU.
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By the way, GGG fans trying to hide behind Kovakev is some next level bull**** that I dont think Ive ever seen before. GGG isnt your spouse, stop trying to protect him!
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Ward is managed horribly and has no career beats GGG
GGG is vastly overrated and Little g loses to Ward at 168lbs. GGG has a fake record of bums with no significant wins over a top contender. Ward picks the smaller little g apart and wins decisively even by a stoppage ending this sham of little g. Enough of this commie hype job little g in America anyway. Go back to Russia you little g commie. That hammer and pickle crap don't play well in America.
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Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View PostBy the way, GGG fans trying to hide behind Kovakev is some next level bull**** that I dont think Ive ever seen before. GGG isnt your spouse, stop trying to protect him!
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