What is Al Haymons end game? Predictions..

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You sound like an Entitled little B1TCH with all due respect. I respect what these men do for a living and I know it is very difficult so yes me personally, I prefer for them to make the most they can every time they fight so God Forbid if that happens to be their last fight at least they have enough money to take care of their family.

No I don't care what fighters make but one thing I will never do is try to tell a fighter how much he "SHOULD or SHOULDN'T MAKE". Just like I'm sure you wouldn't want somebody to come to your damn Job and tell you "OH JUST DO YOUR JOB, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY". These guys are Freelance Workers basically, they have every right to set their Price and accept the jobs (or fights) they want. Who are WE to tell them what the SHOULD DO! Us being fans fan of boxing doesn't mean that we somehow OWN THESE BOXERS and can tell them Who To Fight, When To Fight and How To Fight

Stop being a Bunch of Entitled ***s and Have Some Respect what these guys do for a Living! God forbid if guys end up like Magomed Abdusalamov after a fight, will the fans be on boxing forums trying to raise money and help these guys out financially? *** NO! You ungratful B1tches will just jump to the next bandwagon and forget all about them!

They chose to become boxers with all the risks that come with it. Don't come crying to me if they get hurt in the ring. Formula One and other race drivers take their lives and the lives of all their competitors, not to mention track side fans and pit crews and officials, into their hands in every race and they do not race twice or three or four times per year either. Do you whine and cry about the risks they take? How about the number of football players with severe brain injuries from their years in the sport? Many end up committing suicide, many end up destitute.

NO ONE FORCED ANY OF THESE ATHLETES TO MAKE THE CHOICES THEY MADE FOR THEIR LIVES. They chose to enter these professions for the millions of dollars they will make over their careers. They chose to accept the risks along with the rewards. And they are damn well rewarded for it.

Maybe you should save your bleeding heart for the 7/11 clerk who works for minimum wage on the overnight shift who gets shot by some druggie trying to score his next hit.

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The plan is to Organize Boxing, not Monopolize! .

I disagree. Don King monopolized the Heavyweight landscape through the 70's- 80's-90' and made a ton of money in the process.

The fans yell about organization while the sport carries on as it has for the last 150 years.

With Haymon, I hear that he takes care of his fighters as fighters should be taken care of. He's good in my book if it's true.

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We have been over this all before, because he will get TV deals that will start to cover the cost. TV networks are looking for content especially live sports content so it is not a matter of if he will get them it is a matter of how much he pulls.

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Yes we have gone over this time and time again and you still have zero understanding of how it works. All other sports leagues, even tennis and bowling, have ONE GOVERNING BODY. Boxing does not. Boxing never will have. The entire sport would have to be gutted and reorganized. Do you think that WBC or WBA or WBO or IBF or IBO would have a chance to get a network boxing contract? No, they would not.

The ONLY POSSIBLE CHANCE that Haymon could score a major deal would be to replace all the governing bodies with PBC and to sign all the fighters to exclusive contracts with PBC. He would have to introduce his own title belts and turn his back, and have all his fighters turn their backs, on over 100 years of boxing history and tradition and start from scratch.

Now doing that would cost Haymon many millions of dollars in his own personal bank accounts as he would no longer be taking a percentage of his fighters' purses as they would become his employees. Haymon is not about to do that.

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

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I have never actually watched PBC, I will have to look at it sometime, people are comparing it to XFL...... thats like a record level of ****tiness.

[brettWall]

You sound like an Entitled little B1TCH with all due respect. I respect what these men do for a living and I know it is very difficult so yes me personally, I prefer for them to make the most they can every time they fight so God Forbid if that happens to be their last fight at least they have enough money to take care of their family.

No I don't care what fighters make but one thing I will never do is try to tell a fighter how much he "SHOULD or SHOULDN'T MAKE". Just like I'm sure you wouldn't want somebody to come to your damn Job and tell you "OH JUST DO YOUR JOB, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY". These guys are Freelance Workers basically, they have every right to set their Price and accept the jobs (or fights) they want. Who are WE to tell them what the SHOULD DO! Us being fans fan of boxing doesn't mean that we somehow OWN THESE BOXERS and can tell them Who To Fight, When To Fight and How To Fight

Stop being a Bunch of Entitled ***s and Have Some Respect what these guys do for a Living! God forbid if guys end up like Magomed Abdusalamov after a fight, will the fans be on boxing forums trying to raise money and help these guys out financially? *** NO! You ungratful B1tches will just jump to the next bandwagon and forget all about them!

This guy still doesn't get it. Let's keep it simple. These people are in the business of producing a product for entertainment. It's no different from a movie production or any product for that matter that manufacturers produce. You don't call people giving negative reviews of these products "self entitled." You'd be an idiot if you don't welcome all kinds of reviews if you're a maker of these products. At the end of the day they're in the business of producing a product for entertainment. It's no different from producing an Apple product made by Chinese laborers in poor working environments. Do you normally care about these laborers? No.

You always make it sound as if these people have no choices. Is it anyone's fault they elected to involve themselves in this business? No.

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Haymon competition is HBO, it is not other Promoters. HBO been the biggest PIMPS in boxing for YEARS, they got top quality fights on their Networks for DIRT CHEAP. Haymon is driving up the prices for fighters on purpose to effect HBO, not the other Promoters. If Haymon was out to put other Promoters out of Business then why would he be working with Warrior Boxing Promotions, Lou DiBella, Yvon Michel, Eddie Hearn and guys like that

The plan is to Organize Boxing, not Monopolize! Monopolize is what the UFC has done in which Fertitta Brothers and Dana White have gotten Richer off of those Reebok and Fox TV Deals while the fighters continue to make Peanuts.

HAYMON IS NOT A PROMOTER. That is what the lawsuits are about and he will lose because he is acting as a promoter. The only reason Warrior and GYM and DiBella are around is as beards for Haymon to hide his promotion behind. If he could get to a point where he would not need them, he would drop them in a second and move everything under his own banner.

As for fighters making 'peanuts' in the UFC, I think they are fairly paid. Anyone who gets paid half a million and up for a fight is hardly making peanuts. Just because some fighters make obscene amounts of money does not mean everyone should make the same. What is obscene in this world of sports is the total greed of everyone involved, and that applies to all major sports.

[The Gambler1981]

Yes we have gone over this time and time again and you still have zero understanding of how it works. All other sports leagues, even tennis and bowling, have ONE GOVERNING BODY. Boxing does not. Boxing never will have. The entire sport would have to be gutted and reorganized. Do you think that WBC or WBA or WBO or IBF or IBO would have a chance to get a network boxing contract? No, they would not.

The ONLY POSSIBLE CHANCE that Haymon could score a major deal would be to replace all the governing bodies with PBC and to sign all the fighters to exclusive contracts with PBC. He would have to introduce his own title belts and turn his back, and have all his fighters turn their backs, on over 100 years of boxing history and tradition and start from scratch.

Now doing that would cost Haymon many millions of dollars in his own personal bank accounts as he would no longer be taking a percentage of his fighters' purses as they would become his employees. Haymon is not about to do that.

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Says you, and you have no real vision because things have to be the way you think or they are impossible.

You have all these odd ideas about what needs to happen that have no connection to if it can work or not. So I would question your understanding since you are making it much more complicated than it actually is.

Either networks are willing to pay or they won't and given the intense competition for content in particular sports content he will be just fine on that.

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This is tiresome, assuming Haymon is in it for the money but right now Haymon is making chump change so that is not his end game. How Al made his money is with Live Nation and the largest portion came from when he sold out.

In his head he will likely want to do the same thing here and retire to **** ******'s or whatever the **** he wants to do with his time. It is a long ways off and there are a ton of steps between so he may never see that end game or he may have to alter his plan to achieve what he wants. Still the question was what is his end game, the biggest profit to him comes from selling it off.

Once the venture is actually up and running and working as intended (which is not right now during the start up phase) then it will have value. If it doesn't he will have failed.

Haymon is NOT making chump change. He is making at least 15% commission on every one of his fighters' purses. Why do you think the purses are so much higher than any other promotion is willing to pay? He is cleaning up after every card.

Unless PBC has all the fighters signed to exclusive contracts, it will have no value of it's own. Even sanctioning bodies like WBC and WBA are basically worthless if all the fighters decide not to pay their sanctioning fees and to drop their titles and no longer compete for them. That seems to be something you have serious problems getting your head around. Maybe you could try by explaining to everyone exactly where PBC gets it's value from? What are their assets?

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Says you, and you have no real vision because things have to be the way you think or they are impossible.

You have all these odd ideas about what needs to happen that have no connection to if it can work or not. So I would question your understanding since you are making it much more complicated than it actually is.

Either networks are willing to pay or they won't and given the intense competition for content in particular sports content he will be just fine on that.

And what exactly are they supposed to be willing to pay for? PBC has nothing to guarantee that they can continue to put on fights. They have no fighters with exclusive contracts. NONE. NOT ONE. So again... tell us all what value PBC has?

[kafkod]

You must've missed the part where the guy from Waddell & Reed who setup the Haymon deal, quit his job at Waddell & Reed and was hired by Haymon Enterprises. It's all part of the TR lawsuit, where they implicate Waddell & Reed into the monopolization practice. Between this lawsuit & the other major investor pull out they experienced and lack of growth in televison & ticket markets, I see them shutting down their PBC deal after 4-6 quarters.

It's possible TR, GB, and ME will be able to show damages from Haymon's actions and convince a judge that it was a result of monopolization practices. He'd end up losing that money he picked up and get booted out of the boxing world like he was the concert business.

I read about the guy moving from Waddell and Reed to Haymon's company, which seems to indicate that W&R are more than just investors in PBC. But I have no idea what the courts will make of that, in terms of the law suit brought against Haymon.

I also read about investors pulling $12.5 billion out of Waddell and Reed, which is a huge amount of money to lose, even for an organisation like W&R.

On the other hand, there are huge amounts of money to made in boxing, as Floyd/Manny proved. But to even approach the level of interest that fight generated, you need fighters who can transcend boxing and become mainstream sporting heroes, and I don't think Haymon has anybody like that - another Mayweather, if you like.

He has some good fighters, but I can't see any of them crossing that gap, the way Floyd did.

A star HW would do the trick, for sure, and Haymon seems to be pinning his hopes on Wilder there, which is a mistake on his part, imo.