What is Al Haymons end game? Predictions..

[Eff Pandas]

Getting everyone under one banner is no good for the fighters. It's called a monopoly and in most cases it's illegal.

I still fail to see how what PBC is doing is a monopoly. It seems like some people think there is a number of fighters that any one promoter/manager/tv channel can be affiliated with that would cross some line from just being successful for fighters so well that fighters keeping signing with you to a monopoly.

Everyone under one banner would mostly effect the biggest names in the sport negatively. Or you'd have to believe that Haymon is looking for getting all the fighters signed to him just so he can eventually change his entire tune thus far & start paying cats $100,000/max for fights or something along those lines.

Right now the top UFC guys are making $7M+ for each fight. Boxing has more money in it than MMA (imo) so lets assume the top PPV names in boxing can make $10M-$14M+ per fight. There aren't many cats above $10M in the sport now so only those tip top names would be taking a hit & the fans would be getting the best fighting the best monthly under this fictional UFC like Boxing league. I couldn't give less f#cks if the Floyd's & Manny's of the boxing world are making $14M+ instead of $30M-$250M per fight.

[Eastcoast]

If Haymon takes a percentage of his fighters purses as commision, and he pays those purses himself out of his invenstors money, then that alone would give him a reason to overpay, not just his fighters, but himself.

Surely Waddell and Reed would not be ****** enough to give someone a legal licence to rip them off, which is what an arrangement like that would amount to?

You must've missed the part where the guy from Waddell & Reed who setup the Haymon deal, quit his job at Waddell & Reed and was hired by Haymon Enterprises. It's all part of the TR lawsuit, where they implicate Waddell & Reed into the monopolization practice. Between this lawsuit & the other major investor pull out they experienced and lack of growth in televison & ticket markets, I see them shutting down their PBC deal after 4-6 quarters.

It's possible TR, GB, and ME will be able to show damages from Haymon's actions and convince a judge that it was a result of monopolization practices. He'd end up losing that money he picked up and get booted out of the boxing world like he was the concert business.

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon seems like a guy that is 20 Steps ahead of the Competition and Fans.

Ain't this the truth. People keep saying they losing money, but I'm not so confident in that. Haymon is the main guy responsible for Mayweather getting a cut of the hotdog vendor's money. I'm POSITIVE PBC is getting money from something that is worse case making these shows break evenish to making a profit.

I think the Roster will continue to grow with more Big Names jumping on Board Eventually leaving the Competition without many options and without many top Level Competition for their fighters to fight. Without great dance partners it can get extremely hard to make money by trying to sell PPV's. Not only that but how long are Promoters going to be happy all being crammed on HBO trying to squeeze themselves into HBO's Yearly Budget

Exactly. Promising guys coming up right now need to get with Haymon just to get on TV cuz HBO isn't gonna put them on yet & there aren't many TV opportunities outside of PBC. Most of the next big name cats are gonna be a PBC guys just cuz PBC is gonna be the people with the ability to show them on TV.

Random thought, HBO's yearly budget has been dropping since forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they stop showing boxing & switch over to MMA within the next 5 years or so. Would be a sad day, but I feel like the lowering budget each year is the writing on the wall.

He already has his competition Cornered and Fans and Promoters don't even know it. They're all stuck on one Network trying to get dates from HBO and trying to fit into HBO's yearly budget. Lets see how long this last and if HBO will be able to keep everybody happy

Oh the promoters know it. Thats why TR & GBP are suing PBC.

[Pony Boy]

He doesn't give a crap about the fighters. He just another greedy Basterd looking to make himself a billionaire. He will pull the bankrup card when it all fails. His promoting fights while being a manager/business adviser and it's seen not as a monopoly? He will come out of the closet and bring out his worthless championship belt by promising his fighters that they won't have to pay sanctioning feed! This is a copy of the WWE; WWF; UFC and other MMA championship organizations with their shiny plastic looking belts.

He relays on putting on name fighters on free tv with efforts to sell commercial spot to make money but his matchmaking skill suck and has made the ratings fall. His only hope was to get mayweather on free tv but not happening so inverters should think twice or better yet three times before signing any business agreement with this crook. He promises fighters them riches and fame then turns around and sells them out to their opponents. Mares vs SC. You think he didn't tell Leo to keep low on mares hoping mares bites the bait? The is just one example! He plays both sides and controls the aftermath by fixing the outcome. If I were a gambler or a bookie I would not work his fights cause his probably making money from the fixes!

[Chriskey2015]

make a good fight

[The Gambler1981]

Sell WHAT to the highest bidder? All he has to sell is the stage and the ring. That is basically worthless. The PBC brand will be worthless once it fails. It is not like a major league sports franchise where you have a bunch of players contracted and a team name and brand to sell. This is boxing. In the end he will be paying someone to take the stage and ring away so that he doesn't have to pay storage fees on it.

Or you never know... one day someone will buy a storage locker on Storage Wars and when they open it up... WOW! A PBC boxing ring and a goofy pro rasslin' style stage setup!!!

This is tiresome, assuming Haymon is in it for the money but right now Haymon is making chump change so that is not his end game. How Al made his money is with Live Nation and the largest portion came from when he sold out.

In his head he will likely want to do the same thing here and retire to **** ******'s or whatever the **** he wants to do with his time. It is a long ways off and there are a ton of steps between so he may never see that end game or he may have to alter his plan to achieve what he wants. Still the question was what is his end game, the biggest profit to him comes from selling it off.

Once the venture is actually up and running and working as intended (which is not right now during the start up phase) then it will have value. If it doesn't he will have failed.

[Eff Pandas]

He doesn't give a crap about the fighters.

Couple things, 1)This just seems like a weird thing to say in the first place & 2)Whats the proof of this?

His promoting fights while being a manager/business adviser and it's seen not as a monopoly?

Why would being a manager & a promoter be a monopoly anyway? Its against the MAA & thats why that would be a problem. A monopoly is a whole other thing, being a manager & promoter is more about a conflict of interest. I haven't seen him promote anything though, he just outsources that job. PBC is kinda like HBO in that. HBO might look like a promoter since they control so many aspects of the fight they show, but they are simply outsourcing promotional duties, same as Haymon.

He will come out of the closet and bring out his worthless championship belt by promising his fighters that they won't have to pay sanctioning feed!

Idk why anyone would give a **** if he's gay or w/e. Unless you're a single gay man I guess & think Haymon is hot.

He plays both sides and controls the aftermath by fixing the outcome. If I were a gambler or a bookie I would not work his fights cause his probably making money from the fixes!

This is just straight nuttiness.

[NEETzsche]

i think he wants to strangulate the competition and then take his product back to cable

[Eff Pandas]

i think he wants to strangulate the competition and then take his product back to cable

You mean premium cable like HBO or Showtime? Why would Haymon want PBC on just cable? National TV channels are paying more usually.

HBO's budget is maybe $40M-$50M these days & the NHL & the UFC have $100M or close to it deals (iirc) & they seem to be usually just a lil higher in ratings with their primetime national TV shows.

Seems to me the main two options for max profit here would be getting a national TV deal a couple years from now or start some streaming boxing network (the UFC & WWE has shown this is viable, but I think it might be too soon for something like this with boxing fans being less innovative & open to change).

[sicko]

Part of the myth, seen to many match-ups go wrong for him to buy into that, he's as fallible as the next guy. He just doesn't talk to the cameras which makes him seem like something more.

When another Agent, Promoter, Manager or who ever can help their Athlete Generate as much as Mayweather has Generated in his career, then you let me know

Fans can say what they want about Haymon and it really doesn't matter, it is about what the FIGHTERS think and who they choose to sign with. Where the TALENT GOES, that is where the fans will go! Fans can get on the internet and cry all they want about match ups, match making, boycotting blah blah blah we heard this all before and for years with Mayweather and how people are "NOT GOING TO BUY MAYWEATHER NEXT FIGHT" but yet he just continued to make more and more and more money.

I have learned over the years and I'm sure others have as well that Internet Fans are a JOKE and for the most part they're all Talk. They been trying to organize "Boycotts" of Mayweather and Pacquiao fights for years and they have failed miserable because they don't buy PPV's or go to the live boxing events anyway