What is Al Haymons end game? Predictions..

[Scipio2009]

so you don't know but they are making 1 million per show? where did you get this info? i hope you didn't just make it up. that would be strange and creepy.

Two fights per show, containing anywhere from 20-24 rounds of action. Count the in-between round breaks, in addition to the time breaks between the fights/ to announce, the cards/etc and you're looking at 50 minutes of ad time to sell.

The $1m a show figure was simply a guess, yes; as I see it, it's an educated guess. $2.5m in fighter purses against selling the 50 ad minutes for $70k each (a paltry $35,000 per 30-second ad spot) and netting $3.5m in add revenue [ignoring ticket revenue/sponsorship money/international broadcasting rights, while also ignoring the pay out to the event promoter]. You look at the fighter payouts for the SpikeTV/afternoon CBS and NBC shows being on a lower scale, and the NBC Sports/FS1 shows having a lower payout scale, and the BounceTV shows having an even lower payout scale, and the model is similar down the spectrum.

logic helps every once in a while.

[Mitchell Kane]

ESPN is whole different kettle of fish, especially compared with NBC/NBCSN, CBS/CBS Sports/(Showtime), or Fox/Fox Sports. ESPN is more HBO/Showtime/Starz than it is Bravo/USA Network, tbh

Yes and no.

ESPN's monthly subscriber cost, when separated out, may be closer to HBO than some smaller channels, but for the most part, it's still bundled with other channels, and not sold separately, like HBO.

That was beginning to change slightly in some markets with streaming services like Sling TV, where it would part of smaller bundles, but we'll see if that changes...

According to The Journal, Disney reached a deal with Dish to cancel its agreement to include ESPN on Sling TV if more than 3 million Nielsen households or homes that count for the all-important Nielsen ratings got rid of ESPN after May 2014.

According to The Wall Street Journal's sources, this threshold has now been crossed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-cutting-is-coming-to-espn-2015-7#ixzz3iy75QzZ0

As long as HBO is still mostly bundled, it is still propping up a lot of those other channels that you just listed....channels that may not do as well if they're no longer packaged with ESPN.

But how would ESPN do on it's own?

If pay TV providers were forced to sell channels a la carte, retail prices would skyrocket with ESPN costing in the ballpark of $30 monthly and the industry overall would lose half its revenue, or $70 billion, according to one Wall Street analyst.

According to Martin, only about 20 cable channels would survive in an a la carte world. Industry execs have repeatedly raised the specter of niche-oriented and minority-targeted channels becoming unsustainable in such a marketplace

With a la carte, ESPN's audience would shrink by about one-fifth, to 20 million super fan homes, and the cost of the network would rise to $30 monthly because ESPN would need to recoup lost subscriber fees and ad revenue, according to Martin.

http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/would-you-pay-30-per-month-for-espn-1200563396/

[kafkod]

Hopkins-Stevenson didn't happen because Bernard Hopkins wanted to get 75% of the money, with the fight being staged in Montreal (Stevenson's home venue) and the bulk of the money coming off of Canadian PPV (Stevenson's home market). All that other talk was "after the fact" spin by Hopkins.

And Haymon has a pretty good eye for talent, Errol Spence standing out as a pretty much "no duh" choice.

You don't think much of Deontay Wilder, which is fine; that's your opinion.

Still, Wilder's WBC world heavyweight champion, BoxRec rates him #4/6 in the division, ESPN rates him #4, ********* rates him #2, TBRB rates him as their #4 heavyweight, Ring Magazine rates him #3, Boxing News rates him #3, Sky Sports rates him #3, and basically every other credible source has him rated in the top 5 at heavyweight.

When you think the guy's a bum, yet every other credible source rates Wilder as having real ability, maybe you're the one who's mistaken.

I'm going to stick with BHop's explanation on why he fought Kovalev instead of Superduck, rather than your "even longer after the fact" spin attempt.

Wilder is highly ranked because he holds the WBC belt and is undefeated. Povetkin is the only other top 5 HW he has a chance of beating, imo, so he might possibly hold that WBC belt for 2 more years before he has to face another mandatory.

But even if that happens, another 2/3 years of cherry picks like Molina is not going to turn Deontay into a star. Not with exciting young HWs like Joshua, Parker, White, and the Fury cousins contesting the belts Wlad now holds after he retires or loses.

[Mitchell Kane]

Haymon has NO CONTRACTS TO SELL!!! The contracts Haymon has with fighters are PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS. Haymon actually works for the fighters as their ADVISOR. The fighters do not work for Haymon. Can you not understand this? It is a central fact that is at the center of all the complaints against Haymon. It is a conflict of interest for Haymon to be a fighter's defacto employer as the head of PBC while at the same time being an employee of that same fighter as his advisor.

If you want to see where the future of broadcasting boxing is really going to be, take a look at this...

http://bit.ly/1ITQEda




THAT is the future of broadcasting boxing, not television. Haymon missed the boat and is wasting hundreds of millions of dollars. I feel sorry for the people who will lose their money on PBC and will await the inevitable court case for mismanagement that is sure to come down the line.

That is a pretty interesting move by GBP/Ring.

I wondered where the announcement of "De La Hoya TV" earlier this year would lead, especially after seeing that DLH TV was going to be producing some GBP shows.

I would assume DLH TV may be producing the Estrella TV fights, with GBP making them available on Ring TV...similar to what Top Rank does with TopRank.tv when they show weigh-ins and undercard fights live.

This is taking it step or two further, using Ring TV, looking to get other promoters involved, and streaming past fights on demand.

GBP definitely has the back catalog of fights that will make this worthwhile for some fans who want to watch or re-watch past fights.

[GMAN SUPREME]

al gaymons plan is to destroy boxing while making as much money as possible.I would much rather boxing be killed off entirely than see gaymon have complete control.I hope pbc fails and all real boxing fans do too because nobody wants to see expensive mismatches.

[Eff Pandas]

al gaymons plan is to destroy boxing while making as much money as possible.I would much rather boxing be killed off entirely than see gaymon have complete control.I hope pbc fails and all real boxing fans do too because nobody wants to see expensive mismatches.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that if all the posters who used terms like "Gaymon", "Gayweather", "Pacroid", "Margacheato", "Kneeguel" & others got banned that the overall average IQ of this place would shoot up dramatically. Also what are you guys, who use terms like this, 10 years old?

[GMAN SUPREME]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that if all the posters who used terms like "Gaymon", "Gayweather", "Pacroid", "Margacheato", "Kneeguel" & others that the overall average IQ of this place would shoot up dramatically. Also what are you guys, who use terms like this, 10 years old?

says the weirdo who has a creepy obsession with pandas.have you been traumatized by pandas? get some therapy you nut job.

[The Gambler1981]

You're probably right, it may not be a question of it he will get offers, it'll be how much.

But the "how much" is a pretty important part of this, especially given all the recent reports of decreasing cable subscribers.

The PBC is still about two and a half years away from the end of these "time buys", so it'll be interesting to see where some of the networks are when these "time buys" are over and Haymon starts asking for real money...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rks-post-gains

Disney Falls as Revenue Misses, Cable Profit Outlook Darkens

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13256764/1/disney-dis-stock-slumped-on-espn-subscriber-losses.html

Disney (DIS) Stock Slumped on ESPN Subscriber Losses

If he doesn't execute well that will certainly effect how much those deals are worth. Another part of the equation is if he keeps spreading around or goes with an exclusive deal. Spreading it around keeps his competitors down but companies pay a premium for exclusivity.

Either way has it's faults because going exclusive opens up avenues that his opposition will be looking to fill, or if he takes less money that messes up how he can operate.

So that will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[Jsmooth9876]

Him laying in a bed inside a bungalow on the Cayman Islands with a ******?

[jqSide]

Well, we've seen his middle game -- showcase his top fighters by fighting inactive, semi-retired opponents. (Malignaggi vs Garcia is another glaring mismatch.)

We're hoping his end game would result in fans seeing his top fighters fight each other. Question is when?