But Cotto lives too far away?

[The Big Dunn]

Frampton and Quigg had negotiations but didn't come to an agreement.

Floyd refused to enter negotiations with Cotto and just retired. I don't see how that is a relevant example but ok.....

I don't see Floyd's mood swings about working with Bob as an excuse for why the fight didn't happen.

The point is simple- things change over time. They can with Floyd as well.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

At that time, Cotto was NOT bigger than Pacquiao. Not even close. Cotto was as big as Shane Mosley. Actually, some could rightfully argue that Mosley was even bigger than Cotto.

In late 2007/early 2008? Pacquaio was still down at the lighter weights.

Mosley was bigger than Cotto.....then Cotto beat him and became bigger. Then Floyd beat Hatton and became bigger.

The fight was the biggest out there in boxing.

[radioraheem]

Frampton and Quigg had negotiations but didn't come to an agreement.

Floyd refused to enter negotiations with Cotto and just retired. I don't see how that is a relevant example but ok.....

I don't see Floyd's mood swings about working with Bob as an excuse for why the fight didn't happen.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter in the end. They fought already and we saw the winner. The outcome was very unlikely to be any different if they fought earlier.

[radioraheem]

In late 2007/early 2008? Pacquaio was still down at the lighter weights.

Mosley was bigger than Cotto.....then Cotto beat him and became bigger. Then Floyd beat Hatton and became bigger.

The fight was the biggest out there in boxing.

I'm talking about 2009 when negotiations for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first begun. At that time, Pacquiao was way bigger than Cotto. Even in 2009, after already losing to Cotto, Mosley was probably still bigger than him. Remember he had just destroyed Margarito. Mosley on paper was more dangerous than Cotto as well, even in 2009.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Honestly, it really doesn't matter in the end. They fought already and we saw the winner. The outcome was very unlikely to be any different if they fought earlier.

Well it does matter. We saw a diminished Cotto give Mayweather a better run for his money than most thought. You can't deduce what the outcome would be when Cotto was undefeated and less war torn.

I'm talking about 2009 when negotiations for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first begun. At that time, Pacquiao was way bigger than Cotto. Even in 2009, after already losing to Cotto, Mosley was probably still bigger than him. Remember he had just destroyed Margarito. Mosley on paper was more dangerous than Cotto as well, even in 2009.

Im talking about late 2007/early 2008 when Mayweather-Cotto would have been the biggest fight out there.

By 2009, Cotto had taken 2 savage beatings so obviously his stock dropped. And Floyd ends up fighting him in 2012.....

[radioraheem]

Well it does matter. We saw a diminished Cotto give Mayweather a better run for his money than most thought. You can't deduce what the outcome would be when Cotto was undefeated and less war torn.

Im talking about late 2007/early 2008 when Mayweather-Cotto would have been the biggest fight out there.

By 2009, Cotto had taken 2 savage beatings so obviously his stock dropped. And Floyd ends up fighting him in 2012.....

It doesn't matter because Mayweather clearly won the fight. You could only generously give Cotto 4 rounds at best. Additionally, in the final round Cotto nearly got knocked down to the canvas. And this was versus a less aggressive Mayweather. Earlier in his career he was more aggressive. Also, it's a myth that Cotto was 'diminished.' A diminished fighter doesn't continue on to win belts at 154 and then 160 lbs. Many would argue that over time Cotto developed into a more well rounded fighter than earlier in his career.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It doesn't matter because Mayweather clearly won the fight. You could only generously give Cotto 4 rounds at best. Additionally, in the final round Cotto nearly got knocked down to the canvas. And this was versus a less aggressive Mayweather. Earlier in his career he was more aggressive. Also, it's a myth that Cotto was 'diminished.' A diminished fighter doesn't continue on to win belts at 154 and then 160 lbs. Many would argue that over time Cotto developed into a more well rounded fighter than earlier in his career.

Cotto was easily beaten by Austin Trout in his next fight. And please don't give me this fairy tale about how he's "re-born" under Roach

[MrRolltide91]

I wonder how many ppv buys mayweather/cotto would have done in 2008.


both were undefeated, both were coming off huge wins and both were top 10 P4P.

[radioraheem]

Cotto was easily beaten by Austin Trout in his next fight. And please don't give me this fairy tale about how he's "re-born" under Roach

I was at that fight. And Cotto wasn't easily beaten. But he did lose to Trout. And then went on to win fights again along with another belt.

You even predicted that Martinez would T/KO Cotto. And instead, Cotto destroyed him. So yeah, I don't think you have any room to talk negatively about Cotto.

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[daggum]

It doesn't matter because Mayweather clearly won the fight. You could only generously give Cotto 4 rounds at best. Additionally, in the final round Cotto nearly got knocked down to the canvas. And this was versus a less aggressive Mayweather. Earlier in his career he was more aggressive. Also, it's a myth that Cotto was 'diminished.' A diminished fighter doesn't continue on to win belts at 154 and then 160 lbs. Many would argue that over time Cotto developed into a more well rounded fighter than earlier in his career.

sure maybe at 130 but the 2007 version was more aggressive? he fought off the back foot the entire fight against hatton, hoya, and baldomir. the more aggressive version of floyd that would have destroyed cotto in 2007 doesn't exist but at least he exists in your head. that's all that matters.

cotto lost to austin trout. how do you explain that? trout's no where near as good as martinez was but we know martinez was crippled and thats why cotto has a belt and that's the only reason why.