But Cotto lives too far away?

[-Kev-]

2 million sold? It was 1 million but I guess you have to double figures to dress up your point and Hatton kept all of the UK PPV revenue anyway.

You are correct, it was 1.2 million UK PPV, 2.1 million PPV's sold in total with US+UK PPV, which is the number I remembered from the top of my head (Didn't google searched). I can't see how Floyd would have gotten more money fighting Cotto with Arum taking a split of the revenue. Mayweather vs Hatton was more money for Floyd.

[radioraheem]

When a human being is coming off two knee surgeries at 39 years old... it's not an excuse that he is not at his best.

Then when the fight happens, and he can't stay off the canvas to save his life because his legs keep giving out... it's not from the thunderous power that Cotto magically has at middleweight now.

It's because he's fighting a 39 year old person coming off two knee surgeries.

Im speaking factually here.

You're speaking opinions. Because you are blaming his inability or struggle to get up based on his legs rather than the blow that put him on the canvas in the first place. You might as well blame the entire knockdown on his legs too. Saying that he couldn't move out of the way fast enough because his knees wouldn't allow it. It's just super convenient excuses after the fact. Even his age, didn't stop many from predicting a T/KO either. All convenient things to bring up after the fact, just excuses.

One thing I will say though, that you brought up in a sly way, is regarding Cotto's power. I will say I've had some su****ions about that. But I felt this way also with Martinez's power in the past (i.e. Williams fight).

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You are correct, it was 1.2 million UK PPV, 2.1 million PPV's sold in total with US+UK PPV, which is the number I remembered from the top of my head (Didn't google searched). I can't see how Floyd would have gotten more money fighting Cotto with Arum taking a split of the revenue. Mayweather vs Hatton was more money for Floyd.

Arum would take a cut from Cotto's purse. Absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather.

Cotto was already a bigger name than Hatton in the US and the win over Mosley a month before Mayweather beat Hatton made that fight a bigger fight clearly.

[radioraheem]

Knee excuses? So he didn't have two knee surgeries and wasn't out over a year after the Murray fight?? I'm making this up? He isn't retired now because of his injuries. These are just excuses not facts and events that actually took place in reality. I see.....

Martinez is bigger than Cotto and had stopped bigger men with better chins than Cotto. A healthy Martinez would TKO Cotto.

Yeah, and with all these excuses you still predicted a T/KO before fight. Oh oh, only if he was healthy although you didn't know he was unhealthy, right? A healthy Martinez would T/KO Cotto. Yes, please hold onto that thought.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yeah, and with all these excuses you still predicted a T/KO before fight. Oh oh, only if he was healthy although you didn't know he was unhealthy, right? A healthy Martinez would T/KO Cotto. Yes, please hold onto that thought.

I thought he lost the Murray fight but didn't look horrendous and probably took Murray lightly. How many times does it have to be explained that you can't tell until a fighter steps into the ring how healthy or bad his knees were?

You're getting kinda boring and circular in this now and REED has pretty much helped put you in your place so carry on. Cotto is re-born! etc etc

[Beater_of_ass]

]I nor anyone else knew how bad Martinez's knees were until the fight.[/B] A healthy Sergio would have knocked out Cotto, I even said in my posts "if he's healthy".

He clearly wasn't but keep acting like Cotto is "re-born"

I guess all those "Sergio at 50% would still KO Cotto" predictions didn't know about the knee? I mean wouldn't Sergio on 50% be missing a leg completely?

**** me lol!!!!! Everyone knew he had 2 surgeries on his knee's prior and had the privilege of watching the Murray fight. You still got it wrong lol.

[radioraheem]

I thought he lost the Murray fight but didn't look horrendous and probably took Murray lightly. How many times does it have to be explained that you can't tell until a fighter steps into the ring how healthy or bad his knees were?

You're getting kinda boring and circular in this now and REED has pretty much helped put you in your place so carry on. Cotto is re-born! etc etc

Then why foolishly predict a T/KO knowing those things beforehand? None of that stopped you from predicting a T/KO. But now that the reverse happened and Cotto scored the T/KO, you toss out those convenient excuses to defend your failed prediction. Oh oh oh the excuses.

REED hasn't put anyone in their place by the way. He spoke for himself and replied back to him. And that was that. Also, I already told you I do not believe that Cotto is re-born. I just always believed, unlike you, that he is a very good fighter. And that he is definitely not diminished. And I believed he would beat Martinez.

[-Kev-]

Arum would take a cut from Cotto's purse. Absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather.

Cotto was already a bigger name than Hatton in the US and the win over Mosley a month before Mayweather beat Hatton made that fight a bigger fight clearly.

The total revenue of the fight, PPV+gate would have been split by Mayweather and Cotto, yes, but a promoter and managers job is to get the most for their fighter so that they can also maximize their own profit. At the time, Floyd did not have the negotiating power he has now, so it wasn't like he was gonna get some crazy 70-30, 80-20 split vs Cotto. Cotto didn't have the loyal fanbase Hatton had, he was doing 150-250k a PPV. He didn't hit the 500k mark until 2008 when he fought Margarito in an insanely popular fight at the time.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The total revenue of the fight, PPV+gate would have been split by Mayweather and Cotto, yes, but a promoter and managers job is to get the most for their fighter so that they can also maximize their own profit. At the time, Floyd did not have the negotiating power he has now, so it wasn't like he was gonna get some crazy 70-30, 80-20 split vs Cotto. Cotto didn't have the loyal fanbase Hatton had, he was doing 150-250k a PPV. He didn't hit the 500k mark until 2008 when he fought Margarito in an insanely popular fight at the time.

Cotto was a bigger name than Hatton in the US.

It didn't matter how big Hatton's UK fanbase was - Floyd kinda ***ed up because he didn't anticipate it would sell that many PPVs at 4am in the UK and he allowed Hatton to keep all of the revenue from the UK buys as long as he got all the US buys which were like 850k.

Cotto vs Mayweather would have obviously done more buys in the US.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I guess all those "Sergio at 50% would still KO Cotto" predictions didn't know about the knee? I mean wouldn't Sergio on 50% be missing a leg completely?

**** me lol!!!!! Everyone knew he had 2 surgeries on his knee's prior and had the privilege of watching the Murray fight. You still got it wrong lol.

I didn't think Sergio looked bad physically in the Murray fight. I thought he maybe took Murray lightly and Murray had a good night.

Sergio was at about 3% against Cotto