Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Nobody Will Brainwash Me That Ali is Better

[Bep3373]

STFU you cherry picking catchweight draining, PED taking, wife beating, cowardly duck!!!

You have to be talking about PAC just replace beating with cheating

[Bep3373]

Floyd is delusional. He isn't even the best p4p of his generation. Maybe top 3 of his generation.

p4p though, Rigondeaux trumphs him, as well as Ricardo Lopez, I'd also argue Ivan Calderon. Two of the least appreciated bust most sublimely skilled fighters of recent times. Also, Roy Jones Jr... Prime for Prime... Sorry Floyd, you would have gotten James Toneyed.

Then I would take Pernell Whitaker over him in a heart beat. Floyd had nightmares with Castillo, imagine what JCChavez would have given him.

Then Duran... Yeah, Imagine being where you are in your career right now Floyd, then I dunno, Jumping up to fight Andre Ward, and winning decisively... Yeah, Duran did something on that level.

Floyds problem is that he is comparing himself against guys who proved themselves against the best fighter of their generation while they were in their prime. No matter what happens with the Pacquaio fight, which I am assuming will be a fairly one sided fight in Floyds favor, he has carved a legacy for himself as the guy who picks on old men to win.

He never picked on a Sugar Ray Leonard. He never picked on a Julio Cesar Chavez, he never picked on a Thomas Hearns, or a James Toney, or a Bernard Hopkins.

His career defining performance was against Deigo Corralles. That says a lot about what you have done in the sport.

Yes Floyd, p4p, you are the biggest draw the sport has ever seen probably.
Skill wise, sorry. Not even close.

I couldn't read past rigo ...I'm a big rigo fan but he's a little Floyd with less defense ...Floyd has never his the floor especially against some unknown Japanese bum c'mon ...stop the bs lol...Floyd is def best in his generation but not top 10 ATG ...maybe top 20....PAC won't make top 50

[!! Shawn]

As someone who dislikes Floyd, he's right. No one in the history of the sport is more talented than Floyd Mayweather, Jr. BUT in terms of accomplishments and resumé, Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali eclipse Floyd's by a wide margin.

There are many more talented than him.

Pernell Whitaker holds quite a wide talent gap over Floyd. Skills, Rigondeaux has moves that Floyd doesn't even know exist, same with Bhop.
Ability, Roy Jones is 3 steps above him.

What Floyd is, and anyone realistic knows this, is a well managed James Toney.

James Toney is just as good as Floyd, but hit harder, and had a better chin.

If he was managed carefully, and steered away from defeats, people would be talking about him as the greatest of all time. He is technically perfect throwback fighter with all the tricks, all the slickness, all the speed, all the reflexes. Same Style, he just did it better than Floyd does it.

But James made the mistake of fighting the toughest opposition that could be put infront of him all the time.

When is the last time Floyd fought an Olympic medalist? Lets just name the ones Toney fought.

Jones, Jirov, Holyfield, and Tim Littles Amateur World Champion.

Lets see, who has floyd fought?

Oscar?

Ali fought George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Leon Spinks... Floyd Patterson, all Gold Medalists.

Come on FLoyd. you cant even fight guys with a good amateur pedigree?

[!! Shawn]

I couldn't read past rigo ...I'm a big rigo fan but he's a little Floyd with less defense ...Floyd has never his the floor especially against some unknown Japanese bum c'mon ...stop the bs lol...Floyd is def best in his generation but not top 10 ATG ...maybe top 20....PAC won't make top 50

Floyd has hit the floor. Rigo is slicker than Floyd by a country mile. He gets dropped every once in a while off balance.

You know who else did? Pernell Whitaker. It doesn't make him less of a master, he just does things so radical, that when you make any mistake at all you go down, has nothing to do with your chin, has to do with the move you are making.

Lets see Floyd fight someone that much taller than him as well.

Anyone IN boxing well admit that Rigondeaux is one of the most technically perfect fighters to ever step in the ring.

Now obviously there is more than technical perfection to fighting, but technically, he is miles ahead of Floyd.

He also has a career defining win, in a fight he was not suppose to win, against Donaire, something Floyd lacks even after all this time.

Ricardo Lopez speaks for itself, and Calderon, was just beautiful. He was small for minimum weight, yet moved up and took MUCH bigger guys to school.

Floyds moving up isn't really moving up. When has he ever fought a naturally bigger fighter than him? Alvarez was the last time I saw that happen, and Alvarez... well... he is Alvarez...

Moving up in weight isnt an acomplishment, when you just make all your opponents from the lower weight classes move up with you.

Guererro from 135, Marquez from 126, Ortiz from 140, Maidana from 140 Hatton from 140 But I the multiple weight champ though!

Okay, prove it... Fight Lara, Brook and Thurman. Oh weight! Time to fight Pacman, because he looks like he needs a walking stick to get around.

[IronDanHamza]

There are many more talented than him.

Pernell Whitaker holds quite a wide talent gap over Floyd. Skills, Rigondeaux has moves that Floyd doesn't even know exist, same with Bhop.
Ability, Roy Jones is 3 steps above him.

What Floyd is, and anyone realistic knows this, is a well managed James Toney.

James Toney is just as good as Floyd, but hit harder, and had a better chin.

If he was managed carefully, and steered away from defeats, people would be talking about him as the greatest of all time. He is technically perfect throwback fighter with all the tricks, all the slickness, all the speed, all the reflexes. Same Style, he just did it better than Floyd does it.

But James made the mistake of fighting the toughest opposition that could be put infront of him all the time.

When is the last time Floyd fought an Olympic medalist? Lets just name the ones Toney fought.

Jones, Jirov, Holyfield, and Tim Littles Amateur World Champion.

Lets see, who has floyd fought?

Oscar?

Ali fought George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Leon Spinks... Floyd Patterson, all Gold Medalists.

Come on FLoyd. you cant even fight guys with a good amateur pedigree?

Mind numbing.

James Toney in his prime clearly lost to Dave Tiberi and was giving a gift decision.

He could easily have lost to Reggie Johnson and Merqui Sosa. He was lucky to get both of those decisions.

Actually did lose to Drake Thazdi.

Could easily have lost all of the McCallum's fights, lost to Montel Griffin.

If you want to talk about overrated, look at James Toney.

You are actually touting Tim Littles. TIM LITTLES as a win because he has an "Amateur Pedigree?"

Again, mind numbing.

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd has hit the floor. Rigo is slicker than Floyd by a country mile. He gets dropped every once in a while off balance.

You know who else did? Pernell Whitaker. It doesn't make him less of a master, he just does things so radical, that when you make any mistake at all you go down, has nothing to do with your chin, has to do with the move you are making.

Lets see Floyd fight someone that much taller than him as well.

Anyone IN boxing well admit that Rigondeaux is one of the most technically perfect fighters to ever step in the ring.

Now obviously there is more than technical perfection to fighting, but technically, he is miles ahead of Floyd.

He also has a career defining win, in a fight he was not suppose to win, against Donaire, something Floyd lacks even after all this time.

Ricardo Lopez speaks for itself, and Calderon, was just beautiful. He was small for minimum weight, yet moved up and took MUCH bigger guys to school.

Floyds moving up isn't really moving up. When has he ever fought a naturally bigger fighter than him? Alvarez was the last time I saw that happen, and Alvarez... well... he is Alvarez...

Moving up in weight isnt an acomplishment, when you just make all your opponents from the lower weight classes move up with you.

Guererro from 135, Marquez from 126, Ortiz from 140, Maidana from 140 Hatton from 140 But I the multiple weight champ though!

Okay, prove it... Fight Lara, Brook and Thurman. Oh weight! Time to fight Pacman, because he looks like he needs a walking stick to get around.

But you said Canelo was smaller than Floyd I see you've changed your mind now, thank goodness.

[jas]

It's not so much that he's saying he's the best ever.

But he's trying to take away from "a legend that paved the way" accomplishments

And ali is seriously ill

It's just poor taste

He may be better than Ali

I, for one, think Mayweather's defence is better

But for me , that's besides the point

Why not trash talk manny? And not ali?

You are fighting manny pacquaio you know.

[!! Shawn]

Mind numbing.

James Toney in his prime clearly lost to Dave Tiberi and was giving a gift decision.

He could easily have lost to Reggie Johnson and Merqui Sosa. He was lucky to get both of those decisions.

Actually did lose to Drake Thazdi.

Could easily have lost all of the McCallum's fights, lost to Montel Griffin.

If you want to talk about overrated, look at James Toney.

You are actually touting Tim Littles. TIM LITTLES as a win because he has an "Amateur Pedigree?"

Again, mind numbing.

Nobody ever accused James Toney of showing up not ready to fight, but if he was managed well and forced to train, its not arguable he was one of hte most skilled fighters of the generation.

[latinbrawler316]

I couldn't read past rigo ...I'm a big rigo fan but he's a little Floyd with less defense ...Floyd has never his the floor especially against some unknown Japanese bum c'mon ...stop the bs lol...Floyd is def best in his generation but not top 10 ATG ...maybe top 20....PAC won't make top 50

Pacquiao not in top 50?? HAHA!! Both are atleast top 20 they aren't better than Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard

[Mr.Daddy]

Floyd Jr. was, is, and always will clearly be better than Ali, and any knowledgeable fight fan who takes the time to watch the available videos of their fights will come to that conclusion. In fact, any fight fan who watches all the available Ali fight videos will (if remaining objective and not becoming emotional) be greatly disappointed in what Ali was and did in the ring versus what the legend and lie of Ali in the ring has made him and his career out to be.