Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Nobody Will Brainwash Me That Ali is Better

[Wizardsh]

Because he is an undefeated American fighter, after 17 years in the sport, having a 'rival' or 'nemesis' is really unimportant. Castillo? Maidana? Whatever floats your boat. The man has yet to lose a fight, after having fought every style of fighter.

what's your point? Ricardo Lopez retired undefeated why aren't you worshipping his nuts?

[Joe Beamish]

Floyd has a fair argument, which is that he never lost. If he beats Pacquaio (I have no doubt that he will), he can say he beat the best opponents his generation had to offer. He may have "ducked" Margarito and P. Williams, but we don't really know. SRR is said to have ducked a number of African American fighters. Certainly most of his wins were against the kind of slow guys that Mayweather would have boxed circles around.

But, unfortunately Mayweather's generation is weaker at boxing than previous generations. SRR would have killed everyone Floyd fought. SRL would do the same.

[sterilizer]

Because he is an undefeated American fighter, after 17 years in the sport, having a 'rival' or 'nemesis' is really unimportant. Castillo? Maidana? Whatever floats your boat. The man has yet to lose a fight, after having fought every style of fighter.

He HAS NOT fought "every style of fighter". He has actually NEVER fought anyone who fights very similar to himself and is also a south paw (Lara), or somebody who is actually faster using his hands (Khan) or somebody who is both fast and has great leg work and punching power (Pacquiao). So this will be his first REAL test.

Also, he fought a Marquez that was in the poorest shape of his life, two divisions above his real weight division at the time (I wish he would have fought the MARQUEZ THAT KTFO'd Manny).

He fought a decadent Mosley many years away from his top shape and his prime.

He fought an over the hill De La Hoya, way slower and weaker than in his prime (and he almost lost that one).

Other than Mosley and Marquez (none of them in top shape), who else who has been in te top P4P list has he ever fought?

Also the 1st fight vs. Castillo should have been his first loss. And the 1st one vs. Maidana could have been the 2nd one as well. Manny "lost" vs.Bradley in a fight that wasn't even a contested one, Manny won it easily and got robbed. Those two fights I mentioned could have gone either way. If the judges had wanted to screw him like they did Manny vs. Bradley, he could now easily have three defeats in his record (Castillo 1, De La Hoya, Maidana).

Also you can never compare the likes of Castillo, Maidana and an out of prime harmless De La Hoya with Leonard, Hearns and Duran. Time will tell. I'll bet none of those guys, if they even become top 50 ATG fighters, will occupy a notch above the three legendary guys I mentioned.

The best Floyd ever fought was an old, completely out of prime Mosley and an out of shape bloated up soft, weak and slow Marquez. those two are sure to become ATG but none of them will be higher than Leonard or Duran, not even close to them I'm sure.

So again, let's see how well he does vs. Pacquiao, looking carefully at the refereeing,, and then we can see if he is at the level of such guys as Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Duran and even Hearns.

[IronDanHamza]

People act like losing means that you're not a good fighter. Even if the loss was avenged, you're not a good fighter all time.

People don't care that Floyd is undefeated, those who know boxing know that he isn't unbeatable. Castillo, Judah, & Maidana showed that. The issue is who he has ducked throughout his career.

How did Judah show that?

You have no clue who he did and didn't duck.

[aboutfkntime]

This is a rare thing I admire that Mayweather says. Why would you say anyone is better than you?

I pretty much agree !

I mean, I agree with you, not with Mayweather.

The point is, Pacquiao has made the exact same claim himself, so.....

Personally I think that Mayweather is a better fighter than Ali, so rate him higher P4P..... but not higher in terms of ATG, or achievments, no way.

Like I have been trying to say repeatedly..... P4P really is over-rated.

P4P (so, all things being equal, Mayweather being naturally the same size as Ali, or vice-versa) because of style/skillset, Floyd wins..... but heart/chin/reaction to adversity/etc, mostly go to Ali.

Ali had a number of mountains to climb, so he climbed them..... Mayweather may have climbed them also, but - for whatever reason - he did not.

Hard luck for Mayweather that he has not had the opportunity to fight the same level of career-defining fights that Ali did...... to everyone who says that is not Mayweathers fault, well it aint Ali's fault either.....you have to deal with whatever is put in front of you, and Ali did.

Ali > Mayweather

[aboutfkntime]

so what will it take to surpass Ali.

Simple, he would need to compile a resume of higher calibre victims.

Almost impossible, given the time that Mayweather has left (2 fights).

I don't think he ever could, its nostalgia, it's hard to change perception.

History, with the benefit of hindsight, would eventually get there.

Remember, everyone hated Ali, he was not that popular.

But until Mayweather compiles a resume of higher calibre victims than Ali did, it wont happen,

It wont happen !

[aboutfkntime]

lol These Floyd fans..." Hes supposed to feel like hes the best"...Big difference between FEELING and CALMING to be. This ***ing ****** actually thinks he is better than the late and greatest , "Sugar Ray Robinson"! What a nut job!
I guess thats what happens when you go to jail and get bent over and your head bounces off the concrete walls! It ***s your head up!

I have already explained my thoughts on this matter.....

But, because of the insane level that you pacfans have raised Manny to.....

IF May beats Pac, whenever I discuss the result with a pacfan..... I will go to my grave insisting that Mayweather is The Best Ever, regardless as to what i really feel, simply because you cant do shht about it.

TBE yo'

[Sheppirino]

I don't know why people are getting so hot about this. What exactly did they think Floyd meant when he started referring to himself as The Best Ever? Did he refer to himself as The Best Since 1996? Or The Best In The Past 20 Years?

No. The Best Ever means that he truly feels he's better than Robinson, Ali, Leonard and just about any HOF fighter ever was. Now is he? **** no. But seeing what he's accomplished in boxing for the last 19 years I believe he is entitled to his opinion as ****ed up as it is.

Anyway, May 2nd it's on. Can't get here soon enough.

[tmac20031]

Nobody can brainwash him...doesnt make it true.