HBO rejects Ward/Oosthuizen

[Scipio2009]

his star power is fine - roughly equivalent to golovkin's - but he still manages to overvalue himself. if he was with haymon rather than jay-z he'd probably get away with that

I disagree.

Ward has had two fights on HBO (vs Dawson, vs Rodriguez), after fighting for a promotional company without the financial/marketing backing or network support to really push him, and still drew 1.4m homes and 1.2m homes, respectively; with Goosen not being able to really push Ward-Dawson locally, Ward putting over 7,500 paying butts (at an average of nearly $95 a ticket) into the seats was pretty impressive. Doing a quarter million dollars in tickets sales, out of the LA area for a Bay Area fighter, isn't something to turn the nose up at either.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/9/12/3323602/ward-vs-dawson-hbo-rating-viewers-live-gate-attendance-paid-hbo-boxing-news

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/11/ringsi...nst-rodriguez/

Golovkin has had 6 fights on HBO, the seventh already in the que, with HBO spending the last two years pushing the heck out of him, and he's only recently getting to what Ward brought in for his debut on HBO (which was a major fight imo).

Golovkin was able to sell out the StubHub Center, putting 9,000 seats in the venue, but I've yet to see a single report of how much money he was actually able to bring in (Canelo Alvarez is likely going to put 40,000 people, but at $10 a seat, what is he really showing?)

With the machine backing him, Golovkin is maybe on par with Ward, who had basically no such backing. Imagine what Ward's star would look like if he'd been pushed anything like how Golovkin has been hyped (against utterly soft competition too).

[MrRolltide91]

In boxing you have to strike while the iron is hot. After the S6 Ward should have immediately got his shoulder surgery then stay active. He's lost all of that momentum and it sunk his value. He's basically starting from scratch at this point.

yep dude was #2 p4p

[Public_Enemy]

[icha]

I disagree.

Ward has had two fights on HBO (vs Dawson, vs Rodriguez), after fighting for a promotional company without the financial/marketing backing or network support to really push him, and still drew 1.4m homes and 1.2m homes, respectively; with Goosen not being able to really push Ward-Dawson locally, Ward putting over 7,500 paying butts (at an average of nearly $95 a ticket) into the seats was pretty impressive. Doing a quarter million dollars in tickets sales, out of the LA area for a Bay Area fighter, isn't something to turn the nose up at either.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/9/12/3323602/ward-vs-dawson-hbo-rating-viewers-live-gate-attendance-paid-hbo-boxing-news

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/11/ringsi...nst-rodriguez/

Golovkin has had 6 fights on HBO, the seventh already in the que, with HBO spending the last two years pushing the heck out of him, and he's only recently getting to what Ward brought in for his debut on HBO (which was a major fight imo).

Golovkin was able to sell out the StubHub Center, putting 9,000 seats in the venue, but I've yet to see a single report of how much money he was actually able to bring in (Canelo Alvarez is likely going to put 40,000 people, but at $10 a seat, what is he really showing?)

With the machine backing him, Golovkin is maybe on par with Ward, who had basically no such backing. Imagine what Ward's star would look like if he'd been pushed anything like how Golovkin has been hyped (against utterly soft competition too).

you dont show the avg for canelo tickets, only the cheapest...
you are not biased, are you?

[Scipio2009]

How many people wanted to rewatch Golovkin? As many as 500k. Golovkin/Murray peaked at 900k in the afternoon, and totaled over 1.4mill. If Andre Ward fought in the afternoon, he'd be lucky to draw 800k, and he sure wouldn't reach 1.4mill total.

Rodriguez was viewed as every bit as hapless as Murray, but the majority of people would rather see Golovkin bash the hell out of another guy than watch Ward jab and grab his way to another decision. He struggled to sell 4,000 seats in his hometown for that fight. SMDH...

As for Ward's star status - back when Ward was fighting on Showtime during the S6 his numbers ******. He had a little over 600k for Abraham and less than that for Froch.

You earnestly believe that none of the viewers, let alone not the vast majority of the viewers, who had the TV on in the afternoon also had their TV on in the evening, lol. If the actual unique homes count even topped 1.1m, I'd be shocked.

And of course, being who you portray yourself to be, you would willfully ignore that Showtime only even started to realistically close the in-homes disparity, between HBO and Showtime, with the current Mayweather deal
(32m homes vs 28m homes, respectively, according to http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...t-2013/199072/)

At the time of Ward-Abraham, I wouldn't have been shocked to see that HBO was available in nearly twice as many homes as Showtime was.

Then again, think like that may require too much nuance, lol.

[Scipio2009]

Watching GGG beat the **** out of his opponent is makes viewers jump from their seats,

Watching ward sends them to their bed early to take an early nap!

This is the ****ing difference!

Ggg is more economical than ward and thats from a biz standpoint and thats how i see hbo is looking at it.

******ity always shows thru fanboyism!

sidenote: Danny Garcia beat the **** out of Rod Salka, a fighter who had no business being in the ring with him, and got villified for doing so (on this site, and sites like this one). Golovkin, apparently to his defenders, is held to a different standard.

viewers jump out of their seats for give/take fights, where both guys are battling against each other in a fight of ebbs/flows.

[ИATAS]

What it's boiling down to is Ward's asking price. He expects to make over $2 million dollars per fight, including his tune ups. HBO already paid him over $2 million dollars for a tune up against Rodriguez, and then he sat himself on the sidelines for over a year. So HBO is basically saying, you want us to pay you big money, fight a quality opponent.

With Golovkin for example, he's fighting the guys who are available and they aren't big names, but Golovkin isn't demanding an arm and a leg for them. He'll gladly fight for $500k, four times a year, against lessor opponents while he waits for bigger names. Ward doesn't understand that because he feels self entitled. Look at me I won the Super Six, I beat Chad Dawson, I was #2 fighter in the world. Was. Past tense. He doesn't get that Super Six was years ago, and he's fought once in like three years. He needs to realize if he wants a tune up, fine, but he's got to get paid like he's fighting a tune up. HBO would approve these guys if that was the case.

[OnePunch]

I think the fact that 8 out of 10 threads in NSB, regardless of initial topic, end up talking about GGG. You could start a thread about amateur flyweights, and within 20 posts its suddenly about GGG. I think that offers a clue as to who is the more popular fighter these days.......

[Beercules]

What it's boiling down to is Ward's asking price. He expects to make over $2 million dollars per fight, including his tune ups. HBO already paid him over $2 million dollars for a tune up against Rodriguez, and then he sat himself on the sidelines for over a year. So HBO is basically saying, you want us to pay you big money, fight a quality opponent.

With Golovkin for example, he's fighting the guys who are available and they aren't big names, but Golovkin isn't demanding an arm and a leg for them. He'll gladly fight for $500k, four times a year, against lessor opponents while he waits for bigger names. Ward doesn't understand that because he feels self entitled. Look at me I won the Super Six, I beat Chad Dawson, I was #2 fighter in the world. Was. Past tense. He doesn't get that Super Six was years ago, and he's fought once in like three years. He needs to realize if he wants a tune up, fine, but he's got to get paid like he's fighting a tune up. HBO would approve these guys if that was the case.

^^^^^ this



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[Barcham]

Is Ward a first ballot HOFer if in 2-3 years time he has Golovkin and Kovalev on his resume in addition to Kessler and Froch?

That may be the only way he gets in the HoF, but not necessarily on the first ballot, it would depend on what else he does and who he fights. Without them on his resume, or fighters of equal quality and stature, he does not deserve to be in the HoF at all.