HBO rejects Ward/Oosthuizen

[Barcham]

Trolling hard.

Still trolling.

All he does is troll. He continues to mention all these 'backers' that Ward has but none of them seem willing to stand up and help him get a fight by offering sponsorship to take the financial load away from HBO. Not even his super rich promoter, Jay Z, seems to be willing to put up the money for him to fight. What good are all these sponsors and supporters if they don't help out in any way?

[Francis M.]

Andre Ward has fought on HBO twice. 1.3M viewers vs. Dawson. 1.2M viewers vs. Rodriguez.

Gennady Golovkin has fought on HBO 7 times. He failed to even break a million viewers 4 of those times. You're definition of "in-demand" is jaded and wrong. The only people in this country that even know who Golovkin is are Mexicans and the ******* that post on this forum.

You need to post truthfully.... Good thing someone checked you on this post....

Edit: nevermind, dude combined funny ratings

[Scipio2009]

What it's boiling down to is Ward's asking price. He expects to make over $2 million dollars per fight, including his tune ups. HBO already paid him over $2 million dollars for a tune up against Rodriguez, and then he sat himself on the sidelines for over a year. So HBO is basically saying, you want us to pay you big money, fight a quality opponent.

With Golovkin for example, he's fighting the guys who are available and they aren't big names, but Golovkin isn't demanding an arm and a leg for them. He'll gladly fight for $500k, four times a year, against lessor opponents while he waits for bigger names. Ward doesn't understand that because he feels self entitled. Look at me I won the Super Six, I beat Chad Dawson, I was #2 fighter in the world. Was. Past tense. He doesn't get that Super Six was years ago, and he's fought once in like three years. He needs to realize if he wants a tune up, fine, but he's got to get paid like he's fighting a tune up. HBO would approve these guys if that was the case.

$900k for Rubio, $750k for Geale, $400k for Stevens, $350k for Macklin; to that, you can also add that Golovkin likely brought in a good chunk of change on the German/international TV rights (couldn't find anything on the Monaco fights, and stopped looking after the Macklin fight)

(looked up public numbers to drive home my point:
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-golovkin-bout
http://www.************.com/2014/07/...30k-perez-60k/
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...lovkin-stevens
http://www.************.com/2013/06/...-gonzalez-50k/)

Ward picked up ~$1.4m for the Dawson fight and ~$1.9m for the Rodriguez fight.

To try and act as if Golovkin is taking some drastic discount (to fight opponents he's north of 10:1 odds to beat), 'for the sake of being active' is laughable.

[Hougigo]

I don't mind it, probably has more to do with the money. Tune up fight and they aren't looking to blow big money for a guy who hasn't fought in almost 2 years

[ИATAS]

$900k for Rubio, $750k for Geale, $400k for Stevens, $350k for Macklin; to that, you can also add that Golovkin likely brought in a good chunk of change on the German/international TV rights (couldn't find anything on the Monaco fights, and stopped looking after the Macklin fight)

(looked up public numbers to drive home my point:
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-golovkin-bout
http://www.************.com/2014/07/...30k-perez-60k/
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...lovkin-stevens
http://www.************.com/2013/06/...-gonzalez-50k/)

Ward picked up ~$1.4m for the Dawson fight and ~$1.9m for the Rodriguez fight.

To try and act as if Golovkin is taking some drastic discount (to fight opponents he's north of 10:1 odds to beat), 'for the sake of being active' is laughable.

I didn't say GGG is fighting for a discount, my point was HBO is much more willing to pay him $500k against OK opposition versus paying Andre Ward ~$2m for OK opposition. It's a very simple point here, should be obvious. The numbers you provided only prove my point. HBO is happy paying for those kind of Golovkin fights because they are inexpensive and have solid ratings. Ward is likely asking at least double what GGG is getting for his next fight. I'm sure Roc Nation plays a big role as well, as they're likely looking for good money coming back for their huge investment in Ward. The asking price is too high for HBO for that kind of quality opponent.

[Pigeons]

I didn't say GGG is fighting for a discount, my point was HBO is much more willing to pay him $500k against OK opposition versus paying Andre Ward ~$2m for OK opposition. It's a very simple point here, should be obvious. The numbers you provided only prove my point. HBO is happy paying for those kind of Golovkin fights because they are inexpensive and have solid ratings. Ward is likely asking at least double what GGG is getting for his next fight. I'm sure Roc Nation plays a big role as well, as they're likely looking for good money coming back for their huge investment in Ward. The asking price is too high for HBO for that kind of quality opponent.

I feel like you've made the same post 20 times in this thread. We get it. Move on.

[mathed]

not biased at all; I've got no idea what the Canelo average price would because the fight hasn't happened yet.

I point out the $10 tickets because, if the venue actually ends up with 40,000 people in the seats, 30,000-35,000 of those people will likely end up in seats that will be comped or seats that they paid $10 for.

If Ward was in the same situation (return fight at Oakland Coliseum, a promotional company backing him with money, a TV network that's utterly giddy with having him on the channel [with 24/7 likely in the cue already], and tickets starting at $10), he may not be able to get 40,000 people into the venue, but 20k-25k wouldn't be impossible to picture. If they push the comped tickets on the eve of the event, that number might even get to 30k.

hopefully the Tx folks disclose the number of tickets actually paid for and the gate, respectively

Comparing Canelo's drawing power to Ward's drawing power is like trying to equate Jay z to the local dude making beats in his basement.

[HeroBando]

How could that be his minimum, when the purse that he got for the Rodriguez fight ($1.9m according to what was reported) was his career-high?

They probably restructured his contract. Why would he get paid so much more for a tuneup than the name fights he had earlier?

[ИATAS]

I feel like you've made the same post 20 times in this thread. We get it. Move on.

That was only my second post in this entire thread.

[jas]

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