What has Stevenson gained thus far by signing with Haymon?

[junior gong]

Do you know the future?

I know that is the money fight for him, now more than ever so if he will ever do it, it will be soon. If he doesn't then it will never happen because Kovalev is unlikely to get much hotter than he is currently.


I am a big believer in "money talks, bull**** walks", and biding time to do a fight at the right moment is not a huge crime for me. IF he doesn't come through no big loss, Kovalev will do his thing and Stevenson will fade until he loses to a scrub. So why even get twisted over something like that?

Err ....because I'm a boxing fan and want to see fights when they are hot. I'm not into the concept of fighters avoiding each other to ensure bigger purses at some undefined point down the line. I understand that they want to max their earnings, but thats not my concern. Kovalev for his part has wanted this fight for ages and would have fought aquacknis by now had he not ran away with his binnis excuses etc. so I cant crap on the guy chasing it. I sure as hell can crap on the guy running away from it.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

No it doesn't.

Kovalev is a 50/50 fight so there is a large risk of reduced earnings after, and that fight was not worth much more than he was getting paid to fight scrubs at that point.

So he fights 2 fights with very small risk for almost as much money, right there he is ahead of the game, because the Kovalev fight has only gotten bigger.


Kovalev (1.5ish), ?????????????????????????????????????????????????

or

Bum (1 million), Scrub (1 million), Kovalev (more than 1.5)


There is not looking at that other ways that is the proper way to go to maximize for an aging and limited fighter.

I just told you the other way - he beats Kovalev and then he's able to command huge purses against other fighters.

Let's not forget he also squandered potential fights against Hopkins and Pascal too.

He's getting overpaid to fight bums but he's still earning less than he could be earning if he had any confidence in his ability.

[The Gambler1981]

Err ....because I'm a boxing fan and want to see fights when they are hot. I'm not into the concept of fighters avoiding each other to ensure bigger purses at some undefined point down the line. I understand that they want to max their earnings, but thats not my concern. Kovalev for his part has wanted this fight for ages and would have fought aquacknis by now had he not ran away with his binnis excuses etc. so I cant crap on the guy chasing it. I sure as hell can crap on the guy running away from it.

I am patient, I am willing to wait to see things.

The fight is still hot and one of the top fights to make in the sport, so I fail to see your big issue.

Other than your need instant gratification and having no patience to watch how things play out.

I enjoy watching how the sport works and a fight I have to wait for doesn't affect me it, like for example when I say Golovkin should dare to be great and go after Ward sooner rather than later it doesn't bug me that much that he is ***** footing around the issue because it is still a big fight until something changes. Also things tend to change pretty rapidly in boxing, so why bother getting upset over yesterdays spilled milk there is a whole production line going.

[The Gambler1981]

I just told you the other way - he beats Kovalev and then he's able to command huge purses against other fighters.

Let's not forget he also squandered potential fights against Hopkins and Pascal too.

He's getting overpaid to fight bums but he's still earning less than he could be earning if he had any confidence in his ability.

That is risk, he gained sure money rather that putting a ton of money at risk.

And he can still cash in on beating Kovalev because if he manages to beat Kovalev there are 168 pounders like JCC Jr. he could fight, so it is not liek that opportunity is lost either.

The Kovalev fight is still worth more now than it was then, so fail to see how he didn't come out ahead? That is apples to apples.

1 in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush? Correct?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Err ....because I'm a boxing fan and want to see fights when they are hot. I'm not into the concept of fighters avoiding each other to ensure bigger purses at some undefined point down the line.

It's ridiculous that this notion has now become acceptable amongst certain fans.

"It's ok that he fights bums because one day we're going to get that big fight!"

Dunn actually tried to argue that Mayweather didn't fight Cotto in 2008 because he made more in 2012 to fight him. As if it was all some big master plan!

We've seen many instances of big fights getting squashed because they didn't strike when the iron was hot.

[junior gong]

I am patient, I am willing to wait to see things.

The fight is still hot and one of the top fights to make in the sport, so I fail to see your big issue.

Other than your need instant gratification and having no patience to watch how things play out.

I enjoy watching how the sport works and a fight I have to wait for doesn't affect me it, like for example when I say Golovkin should dare to be great and go after Ward sooner rather than later it doesn't bug me that much that he is ***** footing around the issue because it is still a big fight until something changes. Also things tend to change pretty rapidly in boxing, so why bother getting upset over yesterdays spilled milk there is a whole production line going.

You're advocating ducking, basically. What boxing fan wants to not see fights as opposed to seeing fights? We're not getting paid and as such I am not interested in sitting by and watching the bs politics of the sport ruin it. That is not an 'interesting' thing to watch, I prefer to watch a fight.

[The Gambler1981]

It's ridiculous that this notion has now become acceptable amongst certain fans.

"It's ok that he fights bums because one day we're going to get that big fight!"

Dunn actually tried to argue that Mayweather didn't fight Cotto in 2008 because he made more in 2012 to fight him. As if it was all some big master plan!

We've seen many instances of big fights getting squashed because they didn't strike when the iron was hot.

It is ridiculous that those with patients have to put up with such garbage from those that need instant gratification.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That is risk, he gained sure money rather that putting a ton of money at risk.

And he can still cash in on beating Kovalev because if he manages to beat Kovalev there are 168 pounders like JCC Jr. he could fight, so it is not liek that opportunity is lost either.

The Kovalev fight is still worth more now than it was then, so fail to see how he didn't come out ahead? That is apples to apples.

1 in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush? Correct?

A multitude of things could have happened to prevent that though. The end doesn't justify the means.

And Kovalev might now tell him to eat a **** because he's been putting in real work, has 3 belts and wants the lion's share of the purse.

[junior gong]

It's ridiculous that this notion has now become acceptable amongst certain fans.

"It's ok that he fights bums because one day we're going to get that big fight!"

Dunn actually tried to argue that Mayweather didn't fight Cotto in 2008 because he made more in 2012 to fight him. As if it was all some big master plan!

We've seen many instances of big fights getting squashed because they didn't strike when the iron was hot.

I have to admit, I'm completely perplexed as to why any boxing fan would think this is ok. Its like saying I dont want my team to win the premier league this season because the prize money will go up in a few years if I keep performing. Crazy.

[The Gambler1981]

You're advocating ducking, basically. What boxing fan wants to not see fights as opposed to seeing fights? We're not getting paid and as such I am not interested in sitting by and watching the bs politics of the sport ruin it. That is not an 'interesting' thing to watch, I prefer to watch a fight.

It is their career, not mine they can do what they want. Either you get and accept what they do or you don't.

I am not making decision for them and a fighter can really make what they want of their career. If they don't want to impress me that is their choice, if they want to impress me sometimes that is cool, if they want to impress every time out good for them.

I watch all fights, I form an opinion on them then watch to see if I am right or wrong about that specific fight. This way I am not stuck pining for things that may never happen, I enjoy what there is.