Groves Vs Degale II ?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Not really. Gonzalez isn't really a good fighter. I was impressed that he managed to hurt him early and obviously stop him early which I didn't think he would do. But his technique was still woeful despite getting him out of there.

Whitaker esque You can't be serious. His defense is bog standard.

It's nothing really to do with the competitor though really. Yeah he hasn't fought anyone that's good, but that doesn't really matter. How has he displayed this talent? Where? I know he was injured for a few fights which halted his movement, did this knee injury render his defense usless? And when did the knee injury happen because he got tagged a lot against Groves and Pitor.

What does he do that displays great talent? He's not fast, he's not a hard puncher, he's not that athletic, he's not that skilled. I don't see a single area that he's better than average in.

How can you consider Paul Smith a "very good win"? It was a decent solid step up for a young pro and a building fight. Far from a "very good" win.

I'm not saying he is Whitaker. I said I've seen him pull of Whitaker esque moves where he drops low and slips punches with his hands by his waist. It's in his locker is what I'm saying. He sometimes gets lazy in fights which have been so comfortable and he gets caught. Whittaker did too on occasion. Also his knee and groin injuries have limited his ability to bend and pivot.

Like I said, show me some young fighters who are pulling off the kind of stuff that he did when he floored Gonzales cos I'd like to see it. Rolling, slipping and fighting off the ropes is something of a lost art as is inside fighting. It reminded me of Toney vs Barkley. Once again, not saying he IS James Toney.

He definitely shows flashes of brilliance

[LacedUp]

I'm not saying he is Whitaker. I said I've seen him pull of Whitaker esque moves where he drops low and slips punches with his hands by his waist. It's in his locker is what I'm saying. He sometimes gets lazy in fights which have been so comfortable and he gets caught. Whittaker did too on occasion. Also his knee and groin injuries have limited his ability to bend and pivot.

Like I said, show me some young fighters who are pulling off the kind of stuff that he did when he floored Gonzales cos I'd like to see it. Rolling, slipping and fighting off the ropes is something of a lost art as is inside fighting. It reminded me of Toney vs Barkley. Once again, not saying he IS James Toney.

He definitely shows flashes of brilliance

Chris Eubank Jr has more of James Toney in him than James Degale. But noone is hyping him to high heaven.

In fact, of the rolling and punching, I'd say he does it more often and better than Degale.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Chris Eubank Jr has more of James Toney in him than James Degale. But noone is hyping him to high heaven.

Who is hyping James DeGale exactly? His hype completely died in recent years. I'm one of the only people who still rates him evidently.

When has Chris Eubank Jr shown anything resembling James Toney? The fact that Eubank Jr is even getting a fight with Saunders and people think its now top of the bill shows the hype he's getting.

[LacedUp]

Who is hyping James DeGale exactly? His hype completely died in recent years. I'm one of the only people who still rates him evidently.

When has Chris Eubank Jr shown anything resembling James Toney?

Yeah and you're the one i'm referring to. You and Johnny Nelson.

I don't really want to compare them, but I'd say out of Degale and Eubank, Eubank looks more like Toney than Degale does.

Degale fights absolutely nothing like Toney and really doesn't do any of the things Toney did at all.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yeah and you're the one i'm referring to. You and Johnny Nelson.

I don't really want to compare them, but I'd say out of Degale and Eubank, Eubank looks more like Toney than Degale does.

Degale fights absolutely nothing like Toney and really doesn't do any of the things Toney did at all.

Toney never rolled and slipped punches off the ropes before going on the attack with combinations?

Do you know who James Toney is?

[LacedUp]

Go a minute into this video and watch him roll a bit and slip some shots.

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You were asking for a young fighter that does this, and I'm just giving you one.

EDIT: I thought you were asking for UK fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not saying he is Whitaker. I said I've seen him pull of Whitaker esque moves where he drops low and slips punches with his hands by his waist. It's in his locker is what I'm saying. He sometimes gets lazy in fights which have been so comfortable and he gets caught. Whittaker did too on occasion. Also his knee and groin injuries have limited his ability to bend and pivot.

Like I said, show me some young fighters who are pulling off the kind of stuff that he did when he floored Gonzales cos I'd like to see it. Rolling, slipping and fighting off the ropes is something of a lost art as is inside fighting. It reminded me of Toney vs Barkley. Once again, not saying he IS James Toney.

He definitely shows flashes of brilliance

I didn't say you were calling him Whitaker. I was dis*****g his Whitaker esque moves. Not seen any resemblence what so ever aswell as the fact he doesn't really have a good defense either

You're asking me to provide young fighters who are doing things similar to Degale? A guy like Adrien Broner looked like he next coming of Mayweather against Demarco, who's also better than anyone Degale has faced. Broner does have talent though.

Terrence Crawford has shown talent, again against better fighters.

Roman Gonzalez, Canelo the list goes on.

And Degale isn't even that young either he's approaching 30 years old.

I don't understand what impressed you so much against Gonzalez. He's not a good fighter and even then it wasn't that impressive.

Degale doesn't have an inside game really either.

[LacedUp]

Toney never rolled and slipped punches off the ropes before going on the attack with combinations?

Do you know who James Toney is?

But Degale doesn't though. He stays on the ropes and slaps his way out.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Go a minute into this video and watch him duck down, roll a bit and slip some shots.

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You were asking for a young fighter that does this, and I'm just giving you one.

EDIT: I thought you were asking for UK fighters.

There's about 2 seconds of him bending and slipping like one punch.

I didn't say you were calling him Whitaker. I was dis*****g his Whitaker esque moves. Not seen any resemblence what so ever aswell as the fact he doesn't really have a good defense either

You're asking me to provide young fighters who are doing things similar to Degale? A guy like Adrien Broner looked like he next coming of Mayweather against Demarco, who's also better than anyone Degale has faced. Broner does have talent though.

Terrence Crawford has shown talent, again against better fighters.

Roman Gonzalez, Canelo the list goes on.

And Degale isn't even that young either he's approaching 30 years old.

I don't understand what impressed you so much against Gonzalez. He's not a good fighter and even then it wasn't that impressive.

Degale doesn't have an inside game really either.

Well they are there because I've seen them. I've seen him pull this off at 6foot plus and 168lbs



The crux seems to be his level of competition which again has little to do with his talent but I hope you see it when he continues to step up.

No inside game? Lol....he's at his best on the inside. Where was the final flurry against Gonzales? On the inside. That's why he struggled against Groves who kept it long.

I don't really know what you see DeGale as if you think he doesn't have an inside game.

[IronDanHamza]

There's about 2 seconds of him bending and slipping like one punch.



Well they are there because I've seen them. I've seen him pull this off at 6foot plus and 168lbs



The crux seems to be his level of competition which again has little to do with his talent but I hope you see it when he continues to step up.

No inside game? Lol....he's at his best on the inside. Where was the final flurry against Gonzales? On the inside. That's why he struggled against Groves who kept it long.

I don't really know what you see DeGale as if you think he doesn't have an inside game.

I see him as a decent boxer with decent skills and ability. Decent sums him up well.

He's decent in most areas and not overly good in any.

Where has he shown this inside game? I have never seen it.

I have also never seen him pull off that.

I've seen him do his best impression of how to slap whilst incorrectly throw a punch.

His technique is boardering on poor.