Groves Vs Degale II ?

[Box-Office]

Don't understand why that would impress you. It's Paul Smith.

Wilczewski was a decent win he looked far from impressive though and far from immensely talented. He showed his toughness and heart, two things he has. But he edged out an either way decision against a European level fighter.

He obviously has some talent, just not that much.

Lol, come on now Hamza? A 9 fight prospect giving out such a dominative beating to a British champion. It wasn't a KO, but round after round of spanking leading to a pity stoppage.

However, at least you agree on the Wilcewski point.

[yoz]

@ Abraham stopping anyone, much less taking them out in two or three rounds.





^^^^^^^^^

This is what happens when you comment on fights you've not seen.

You've proved yourself an idiot in other threads, and now you're trolling my replies and sending red K. You pathetic little man.

[yoz]

Degale is immensely talented. I wish he would get a good trainer, especially if he could move States side because of the sparring quality, I believe he would unleash his true potential.

Aye. IMO, he should have started afresh after the Groves defeat. McDonnell isn't exceptional; I think James, perhaps out of loyalty and appreciation for all McDonnell has done for him, has been afraid to make that change.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol, come on now Hamza? A 9 fight prospect giving out such a dominative beating to a British champion. It wasn't a KO, but round after round of spanking leading to a pity stoppage.

However, at least you agree on the Wilcewski point.

He was a heavy favourite and expected to dominate. I can't be overly impressed with a guy beating Paul Smith. Obviously a decent building fight for a prospect but it's hardly impressive.

I agree it was a decent win in which he showed heart and toughness but that fight didn't show me a lot of talent, none of his fights show me a lot of talent.

[kombayn]

Groves vs. DeGale II would be an interesting fight because I think DeGale can win the rematch. I personally think Froch will take the fight with DeGale, to get the payday and then see if he wants a trilogy match with Kessler or if he can finally get that fight in Las Vegas with Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. or Benard Hopkins.

[Box-Office]

Aye. IMO, he should have started afresh after the Groves defeat. McDonnell isn't exceptional; I think James, perhaps out of loyalty and appreciation for all McDonnell has done for him, has been afraid to make that change.

Basically.

I mean he has breakfast at Mcdonnel's house with his family after his runs.

Yeah he needs a "teacher", even Ariza could've gotten him to this point.

[LacedUp]

Aye. IMO, he should have started afresh after the Groves defeat. McDonnell isn't exceptional; I think James, perhaps out of loyalty and appreciation for all McDonnell has done for him, has been afraid to make that change.

When has Degale ever proved that he was the goods though? He's struggled against a European level fighter at 26 years old. In his prime.

That's not really super encouraging.

Degale is one of those fighters that can be good if it really starts to click for him. and maybe his injuries has held him back a little, but I just don't think he's good enough to deserve the hype he's been getting in his career.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He was a heavy favourite and expected to dominate. I can't be overly impressed with a guy beating Paul Smith. Obviously a decent building fight for a prospect but it's hardly impressive.

I agree it was a decent win in which he showed heart and toughness but that fight didn't show me a lot of talent, none of his fights show me a lot of talent.

His last fight didn't show you any talent?

What young British fighter is even capable of producing a flurry like the one which flattened Gonzales for the knockdown? Slipping and rolling off the ropes, landing a dirty 5-6 punch combo and decking someone. Who is pulling off stuff like that full stop these days?

I've seen DeGale do Pernell Whittaker-esque defensive moves which I've never seen from a young British fighter since Hamed - "sitting on the toilet". And to perform that move as a 6foot plus Super Middleweight is even more incredible.

You'll probably say that his opposition hasn't been good like you currently are about Paul Smith which was a very good win at the time but it's irrelevant when we're talking purely about talent. He clearly has a lot of that - whether he can display it against elite level people is the question.

[IronDanHamza]

His last fight didn't show you any talent?

What young British fighter is even capable of producing a flurry like the one which flattened Gonzales for the knockdown? Slipping and rolling off the ropes, landing a dirty 5-6 punch combo and decking someone. Who is pulling off stuff like that full stop these days?

I've seen DeGale do Pernell Whittaker-esque defensive moves which I've never seen from a young British fighter since Hamed - "sitting on the toilet". And to perform that move as a 6foot plus Super Middleweight is even more incredible.

You'll probably say that his opposition hasn't been good like you currently are about Paul Smith which was a very good win at the time but it's irrelevant when we're talking purely about talent. He clearly has a lot of that - whether he can display it against elite level people is the question.

Not really. Gonzalez isn't really a good fighter. I was impressed that he managed to hurt him early and obviously stop him early which I didn't think he would do. But his technique was still woeful despite getting him out of there.

Whitaker esque You can't be serious. His defense is bog standard.

It's nothing really to do with the competitor though really. Yeah he hasn't fought anyone that's good, but that doesn't really matter. How has he displayed this talent? Where? I know he was injured for a few fights which halted his movement, did this knee injury render his defense usless? And when did the knee injury happen because he got tagged a lot against Groves and Pitor.

What does he do that displays great talent? He's not fast, he's not a hard puncher, he's not that athletic, he's not that skilled. I don't see a single area that he's better than average in.

How can you consider Paul Smith a "very good win"? It was a decent solid step up for a young pro and a building fight. Far from a "very good" win.

[IronDanHamza]

When has Degale ever proved that he was the goods though? He's struggled against a European level fighter at 26 years old. In his prime.

That's not really super encouraging.

Degale is one of those fighters that can be good if it really starts to click for him. and maybe his injuries has held him back a little, but I just don't think he's good enough to deserve the hype he's been getting in his career.

Naturally he's going to get hype after winning the gold.

But he's just regressed and regressed since.

I do think he will win a world title though of he fights for the vacant IBF.