Groves Vs Degale II ?

[IronDanHamza]

Tim Bradley?

Being better than average in one area doesn't necessarily make you talented. Marcos Maidana has better than average power but he's a **** average fighter overall.

I guess agree to disagree and we can wait n see because you guys clearly don't see what I see. I think he's the most naturally talented fighter Britain have produced in a while. Talent only takes you so far though.

Like I said, the crux seems to be his level of competition which is rising so we'll soon find out if he has what it takes to display the talent I see at elite level.

Don't suddenly hop on the bandwagon when DeGale conquers the universe, boys

See I see it opposite to you.

I've seen his heart, his toughness, I've seen him pull out tough victories down the stretch and pull something out when needed. These are things I don't question.

It's the supposed talent I question. Like I said, I don't see a single area that he's not average in.

You laugh at the Bradley comparison but it's true, both share that, neither are very good at anything but do everything (in Degales case most things) well aswell as being tough and having a will to win and it gets them through.

Obviously the fight nothing alike style wise.

[LacedUp]

Tim Bradley?

Being better than average in one area doesn't necessarily make you talented. Marcos Maidana has better than average power but he's a **** average fighter overall.

I guess agree to disagree and we can wait n see because you guys clearly don't see what I see. I think he's the most naturally talented fighter Britain have produced in a while. Talent only takes you so far though.

Like I said, the crux seems to be his level of competition which is rising so we'll soon find out if he has what it takes to display the talent I see at elite level.

Don't suddenly hop on the bandwagon when DeGale conquers the universe, boys

I'd be more than happy to see him succeed. He looked good in his last fight, so hopefully he can build on that.

I don't think he's anywhere near the most naturally gifted fighter Britain has produced in a while. Nowhere near. If he hadn't been an Olympic gold medalist, I don't think many people would have thought this highly of him.

Speaking of, Degale and Groves apparently had a scuffle after the weigh in today.

Degale reminds me of Billy Joe Saunders abit.

On the point of Eubank

Really? I can't really agree. haha. Other than they both still fight like amateurs. BJS reminds me of Amir Khan and Degale is like an older Calzaghe with less speed.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

See I see it opposite to you.

I've seen his heart, his toughness, I've seen him pull out tough victories down the stretch and pull something out when needed. These are things I don't question.

It's the supposed talent I question. Like I said, I don't see a single area that he's not average in.

You laugh at the Bradley comparison but it's true, both share that, neither are very good at anything but do everything (in Degales case most things) well aswell as being tough and having a will to win and it gets them through.

Obviously the fight nothing alike style wise.

I just think their characters are nothing alike as well as their styles.

Tim Bradley is a hard worker, determined, tenacious. He gets everything out of not that much talent.

Whereas DeGale is very talented but often gets lazy and complacent in the ring because he doesn't feel he needs to give 100% at times to win fights.

I don't see where DeGale has shown all that much toughness or heart - I do think it's there but he's been coasting through most of his career on autopilot. Which is why I believe the best is yet to come.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd be more than happy to see him succeed. He looked good in his last fight, so hopefully he can build on that.

I don't think he's anywhere near the most naturally gifted fighter Britain has produced in a while. Nowhere near. If he hadn't been an Olympic gold medalist, I don't think many people would have thought this highly of him.

Speaking of, Degale and Groves apparently had a scuffle after the weigh in today.



Really? I can't really agree. haha. Other than they both still fight like amateurs. BJS reminds me of Amir Khan and Degale is like an older Calzaghe with less speed.

I don't mean they fight alike I mean similar to the Bradley comparison that both are decent boxers but don't do much well.

They have similarities like both are solid boxers, both have decent defense, neither are easy to fight, quite awkward, neither can punch.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'd be more than happy to see him succeed. He looked good in his last fight, so hopefully he can build on that.

I don't think he's anywhere near the most naturally gifted fighter Britain has produced in a while. Nowhere near. If he hadn't been an Olympic gold medalist, I don't think many people would have thought this highly of him.

Speaking of, Degale and Groves apparently had a scuffle after the weigh in today.

Well the fact is that he is an Olympic Gold Medalist and he won it on merit unlike some people. Cough....Joshua....cough. So he obviously is pretty talented.

I'd be interested to know who you consider to be the most naturally gifted fighter Britain has produced recently.

[IronDanHamza]

I just think their characters are nothing alike as well as their styles.

Tim Bradley is a hard worker, determined, tenacious. He gets everything out of not that much talent.

Whereas DeGale is very talented but often gets lazy and complacent in the ring because he doesn't feel he needs to give 100% at times to win fights.

I don't see where DeGale has shown all that much toughness or heart - I do think it's there but he's been coasting through most of his career on autopilot. Which is why I believe the best is yet to come.

What about the fight against Pitor? He was hurt, shipped a lot of punishment, was getting tagged, was very close going into the latter of the fight and he pulled it out. That display was all about heart.

Took some hard shots against Groves and finished strong.

How you described Bradley isn't much different to how I would describe Degale. He seems to emphasize on fitness in training a lot aswell.

I don't see Degale as any more talented than Bradley.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

What about the fight against Pitor? He was hurt, shipped a lot of punishment, was getting tagged, was very close going into the latter of the fight and he pulled it out. That display was all about heart.

Took some hard shots against Groves and finished strong.

How you described Bradley isn't much different to how I would describe Degale. He seems to emphasize on fitness in training a lot aswell.

I don't see Degale as any more talented than Bradley.

I don't remember him shipping a lot of punishment. He did get stiffened by a right hand briefly and he took some shots but it wasn't like he was in the trenches.

Jim McDonnell emphasises fitness because he doesn't know much else which is why I've always wanted DeGale to switch trainers to help bring out his true talent more

[LacedUp]

Well the fact is that he is an Olympic Gold Medalist and he won it on merit unlike some people. Cough....Joshua....cough. So he obviously is pretty talented.

I'd be interested to know who you consider to be the most naturally gifted fighter Britain has produced recently.

Well how recently are we talking?

I thought Kal Yafai was the most talented out of the 2008 squad. But obviously I think Amir Khan is the most naturally gifted fighter we've produced recently (if we count that as recent). I also think guys like Luke Campbell and Hughie Fury are comparably bigger or equal in talents to James Degale.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Well how recently are we talking?

Post Millennium.

I bet this *****-o says David Gaye

[IronDanHamza]

I don't remember him shipping a lot of punishment. He did get stiffened by a right hand briefly and he took some shots but it wasn't like he was in the trenches.

Jim McDonnell emphasises fitness because he doesn't know much else which is why I've always wanted DeGale to switch trainers to help bring out his true talent more

Not in the trenches? That was a very close fight, he very nearly lost. He got hit a lot in that fight, and hurt, he had to gut out that fight against a tough durable guy. I was impressed with that part of his game.

My honest opinion Dirk is I think you're a little bit biased with this one.

You're one of the best posters on here but I think you're abit biased toward Degale