Groves Vs Degale II ?

[IronDanHamza]

Degale is immensely talented. I wish he would get a good trainer, especially if he could move States side because of the sparring quality, I believe he would unleash his true potential.

Is he immensely talented?

In what way?

[Box-Office]

Is he immensely talented?

In what way?

Overall he is a very talented boxer skill set wise (especially offense) and has a good brain. He was quite composed after being rocked by Wilcewski.

Now I know people bring up how he struggled with this guy and that guy, but he has boxed 5 times (Mouhoumadi-Davis) with a groin injury unable to twist and bend properly and hence, leaning on ropes way too much (further proof of his mental strength). This has compelled people to believe he has regressed.

Gonzalez bout he was fully recovered and good to go and we all saw what Degale is capable of once again.

"buture's fright and the buture's chunky" trust me.

[IronDanHamza]

Overall he is a very talented boxer skill set wise (especially offense) and has a good brain. He was quite composed after being rocked by Wilcewski.

Now I know people bring up how he struggled with this guy and that guy, but he has boxed 5 times (Mouhoumadi-Davis) with a groin injury unable to twist and bend properly and hence, leaning on ropes way too much (further proof of his mental strength). This has compelled people to believe he has regressed.

Gonzalez bout he was fully recovered and good to go and we all saw what Degale is capable of once again.

"buture's fright and the buture's chunky" trust me.

I'm asking you in what way?

Immensely talented in what area? He's not overly fast in any area, he can't punch very hard, his technique is absolutely awful, not difficult to hit.

Where is he immensely talented? What area?

He's tough, seems to have heart, decent on most areas, don't see how that's immense talent.

[Box-Office]

I'm asking you in what way?

Immensely talented in what area? He's not overly fast in any area, he can't punch very hard, his technique is absolutely awful, not difficult to hit.

Where is he immensely talented? What area?

He's tough, seems to have heart, decent on most areas, don't see how that's immense talent.

Edit: I did say "especially offense" in my earlier post.

He isn't fast like Pac-Khan, but he is fast enough and add the fact he is really accurate. He is a very good finisher, whether ref steps in early or not the barrage will continue and it makes up for not having a crushing KO punch. He is also a very good counter puncher. The fact that he is very mature mentally is nothing to be neglected. When I say immensely talented it is putting the package together, Kovalev is not just power, it is multiple elements put together as one, so being immensely talented in one area means nothing.

I've already said he boxed 5 times with a twisted groin, so keep that in consideration when you say he is easy to hit.

What he did to Paul Smith in his 9th fight was not luck, but a thorough beating which was consistent round after round, so if you're saying he is an average fighter, then you're entitled to your opinion, I'll leave at that.

LOL @ his technique being awful, what would you say about Hamed then?

[IronDanHamza]

Edit: I did say "especially offense" in my earlier post.

He isn't fast like Pac-Khan, but he is fast enough and add the fact he is really accurate. He is a very good finisher, whether ref steps in early or not the barrage will continue and it makes up for not having a crushing KO punch. He is also a very good counter puncher. The fact that he is very mature mentally is nothing to be neglected. When I say immensely talented it is putting the package together, Kovalev is not just power, it is multiple elements put together as one, so being immensely talented in one area means nothing.

I've already said he boxed 5 times with a twisted groin, so keep that in consideration when you say he is easy to hit.

What he did to Paul Smith in his 9th fight was not luck, but a thorough beating which was consistent round after round, so if you're saying he is an average fighter, then you're entitled to your opinion, I'll leave at that.

LOL @ his technique being awful, what would you say about Hamed then?

Hamed didn't have good technique either but Hamed is what you call a guy with immense talent. Degale doesn't do anything tha shows immense talent.

Degales technique is worse than Hamed's aswell. He slaps with his punches he doesn't throw anything correctly which probably adds to why he can't punch very hard.

What he did to Paul Smith? Ok, that's Paul Smith.

How is he a very good counter puncher? When has he shown overly good counter punching?

Degale does nothing overly well. He's not exceptional in any area and I don't see a single area he's shown "immense talent".

[Box-Office]

Hamed didn't have good technique either but Hamed is what you call a guy with immense talent. Degale doesn't do anything tha shows immense talent.

Degales technique is worse than Hamed's aswell. He slaps with his punches he doesn't throw anything correctly which probably adds to why he can't punch very hard.

What he did to Paul Smith? Ok, that's Paul Smith.

How is he a very good counter puncher? When has he shown overly good counter punching?

Degale does nothing overly well. He's not exceptional in any area and I don't see a single area he's shown "immense talent".

9th professional bout, 9th.

[IronDanHamza]

9th professional bout, 9th.

Does this impress you or something?

Smith was a domestic level fighter.

[Ham Porter]

@ Abraham stopping anyone, much less taking them out in two or three rounds.

Wilcewzski was robbed.

^^^^^^^^^

This is what happens when you comment on fights you've not seen.

[Box-Office]

Does this impress you or something?

Smith was a domestic level fighter.

Yes, and what was Degale exactly when he fought Smith? Hardly, even domestic if you're just another prospect.

Also, his win against Wilczewski whom I'd admit had an inflated record, but Degale beat him when he was a EBU holder, not for a vacant title. That was an great performance as I've stated Degale showed mental strength and was composed when hurt. Also Degale accomplished both within 12 fights.

Since, then he has had the misfortune of not having great opposition and of course injuries.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, and what was Degale exactly when he fought Smith? Hardly, even domestic if you're just another prospect.

Also, his win against Wilczewski whom I'd admit had an inflated record, but Degale beat him when he was a EBU holder, not for a vacant title. That was an great performance as I've stated Degale showed mental strength and was composed when hurt. Also Degale accomplished both within 12 fights.

Since, then he has had the misfortune of not having great opposition and of course injuries.

Don't understand why that would impress you. It's Paul Smith.

Wilczewski was a decent win he looked far from impressive though and far from immensely talented. He showed his toughness and heart, two things he has. But he edged out an either way decision against a European level fighter.

He obviously has some talent, just not that much.