Groves Vs Degale II ?

[LacedUp]

DeGale has never gassed out. He's been fighting with knee and groin injuries. I don't rate Jim McDonnell as a trainer but the one thing he's good at is getting his fighters fit.

Running around the ring and feinting before getting a 1 point sympathy decision from the judges is not a "schooling"

It was as much a schooling as it was a robbery.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So was rebrasse a european champion and they had mixed in similar level up until each of them fought Groves/Degale. Alcoba also in 32 fights had only lost to Stevenson and went 12 with Felix Sturm.

Rebrasse has never been in with anyone as good as Abraham who Wilcewzski was pretty competitive with. Or even Curtis Stevens which is his only other loss.

So what? They fought the same Smith and Groves demolished him.

Groves got stiffened by a Smith right hand in the first round before landing one great shot in the second round. DeGale embarrassed Smith with a comprehensive beating in his hometown. Was much more impressed with DeGale's performance. Groves was fighting his leftovers.

It doesn't matter if he was lucky to get it, he gave Froch his career hardest fight, dropped him and made him look silly at times in their first fight. Still had a competitive fight with him in the second fight before getting flattened.

It plainly does matter that he was lucky to get the fights with Froch because he signed with Matchroom and DeGale made a poor promotional choice. Groves got stopped twice. Froch clearly didn't take him seriously the first time and cleaned him out in the rematch. Losing twice doesn't add to your resume really. DeGale hasn't had his chance at Froch yet.

I didn't even start talking resume, you did.

You said DeGale hasn't fought anyone except Dyah Davis or something. Groves' resume is worse other than the two fights where he got stopped and KTFO.

I commented on someone saying Degale had improved more, and i'm just thinking when I ever saw that because he's fought everyone exactly the same. He did fight a good fight against Gonzales but it was evident from the first bell that Gonzales was nowhere near Degale's level. Groves would have done the same to him.

If you're solely talking about styles/improvement then why do you dismiss DeGale's performance by criticising Gonzales as an opponent? Especially since he's far better than anyone Groves has fought outside Froch.

Are you basing all of Groves' so called "improvements" on the first Froch fight where Froch didn't even take him seriously? Because the opponents Groves has actually been winning against have been ****

It was as much a schooling as it was a robbery.

Never called it a robbery. It was a sympathy vote.

[Box-Office]

Groves likes to pretend as if only other people owe him a rematch. He was even desperately trying to stir something by saying Froch should give him yet another rematch after that KO.

Groves would've been stopped anyways in the first fight if the ref didn't stop it early, but hey "everything for a reason" right?

I think Degale beats Groves, but it will be a close fight as before, because there is so much on the line personally that I doubt either will take too many risks. However, I pray that Degale gets a new trainer already.

[LacedUp]

Rebrasse has never been in with anyone as good as Abraham who Wilcewzski was pretty competitive with. Or even Curtis Stevens which is his only other loss.

Groves got stiffened by a Smith right hand in the first round before landing one great shot in the second round. DeGale embarrassed Smith with a comprehensive beating in his hometown. Was much more impressed with DeGale's performance. Groves was fighting his leftovers.

It plainly does matter that he was lucky to get the fights with Froch because he signed with Matchroom and DeGale made a poor promotional choice. Groves got stopped twice. Froch clearly didn't take him seriously the first time and cleaned him out in the rematch. Losing twice doesn't add to your resume really. DeGale hasn't had his chance at Froch yet.

You said DeGale hasn't fought anyone except Dyah Davis or something. Groves' resume is worse other than the two fights where he got stopped and KTFO.

If you're solely talking about styles/improvement then why do you dismiss DeGale's performance by criticising Gonzales as an opponent? Especially since he's far better than anyone Groves has fought outside Froch.

Are you basing all of Groves' so called "improvements" on the first Froch fight where Froch didn't even take him seriously? Because the opponents Groves has actually been winning against have been ****

Never called it a robbery. It was a sympathy vote.

And neither had he when he faced degale. Plus he lost every single round to Abraham. Well done. If Rebrasse went on to lose every single round to Abraham, would he be a credible win all of a sudden? Not in my book. Plus, I rate both Degale and Groves over abraham anyway.

Well yeah you would. You completely dismiss Groves' performance against Froch as if they never happened - but pick up on Smith catching Groves with a punch before getting flattened in 2 rounds. Come on.

So what you're saying is that Groves is not a more credible fighter based on his two fights with Froch? Completely outrageous statement. He more than gave a good account of himself in both fights - and the first fight was unjustly stopped.

Well like it or not, Froch is on Groves' resume. He has fought him twice which means Groves has mixed it with infinitely better competition than Degale has at this point, even though he's lost twice in competitive efforts.

Yeah, and it's true. He might have hammered Gonzales. I'd pick Paul Smith to beat him too. He simply isn't very good and there's no reason to big him up.

I'm not saying Degale isn't a good fighter, but to say he's improved more than Groves since their first fight is ludicrous.

[IronDanHamza]

Thought Degale edged the first one.

Expect a close fight the second time.

I'd like to see it.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And neither had he when he faced degale. Plus he lost every single round to Abraham. Well done. If Rebrasse went on to lose every single round to Abraham, would he be a credible win all of a sudden? Not in my book. Plus, I rate both Degale and Groves over abraham anyway.

Lost every single round? He was competitive with Abraham early on. Rebrasse is a bum. Look who he's already lost to. He'd be taken out in 2 or 3 rounds by Abraham. We're talking about 2 different level of fighters.

Well yeah you would. You completely dismiss Groves' performance against Froch as if they never happened - but pick up on Smith catching Groves with a punch before getting flattened in 2 rounds. Come on.

Groves' first performance against Froch was good because Carl clearly didn't take him seriously at all. That was shown in the rematch when he got completely cleaned out after not being able to replicate the same performance from the first fight. He tried to pace himself because he still doesn't have the stamina to do 12 hard rounds at that level.

My point about the Smith fight was that I was more impressed with DeGale's comprehensive schooling of Smith. Groves fought the guy after he'd been embarrassed in front of his home crowd by Chunky.

So what you're saying is that Groves is not a more credible fighter based on his two fights with Froch? Completely outrageous statement. He more than gave a good account of himself in both fights - and the first fight was unjustly stopped.

Well like it or not, Froch is on Groves' resume. He has fought him twice which means Groves has mixed it with infinitely better competition than Degale has at this point, even though he's lost twice in competitive efforts.

I don't find Groves any more credible than DeGale. I thought DeGale beat him in a head-to-head. If Groves had actually won either time against Froch then maybe I'd see your point but he got stopped both times.

Yeah, and it's true. He might have hammered Gonzales. I'd pick Paul Smith to beat him too. He simply isn't very good and there's no reason to big him up.

I'm not saying Degale isn't a good fighter, but to say he's improved more than Groves since their first fight is ludicrous.

You seem to pick at DeGale's competition by saying "I'd pick so and so to beat him too". I'd pick DeGale to wipe out every one of Groves' opponents and perform much better against Carl Froch than he did.

The Carl Froch fights seem to be your only point of reference. So all DeGale needs to do is fight 6 decent rounds against Froch before getting taken out in the second half of the fight and he can be on Groves' "level"....LOL

[yoz]

Wilcewzski was robbed.

I used to hate on DeGale, and for a while it seemed his career was going nowhere (he seemed to be regressing, technically), but I hope he comes through Periban. He'd be deserving of a shot then - more so than Groves, who has been gifted two world title fights.

[Greed.]

George beats him again.

[Box-Office]

Wilcewzski was robbed.

I used to hate on DeGale, and for a while it seemed his career was going nowhere (he seemed to be regressing, technically), but I hope he comes through Periban. He'd be deserving of a shot then - more so than Groves, who has been gifted two world title fights.

Degale is immensely talented. I wish he would get a good trainer, especially if he could move States side because of the sparring quality, I believe he would unleash his true potential.

[LacedUp]

Wilcewzski was robbed.

I used to hate on DeGale, and for a while it seemed his career was going nowhere (he seemed to be regressing, technically), but I hope he comes through Periban. He'd be deserving of a shot then - more so than Groves, who has been gifted two world title fights.

As hyped as Periban is in the UK, he's 0-2-1 in his last 3 fights and he couldn't beat Badou Jack or J'leon Love who are both terrible.

He's nothing more than a decent contender, he'll never be world champion and Degale should absolutely beat him.