Groves Vs Degale II ?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

How can anyone say Degale has improved more?

He's literally exactly the same and fights exactly the same as he did in 2011. And he hasn't fought anyone good except for maybe Dyah Davis who's really just mediocre.

Groves on the other hand is much improved.

Regardless, these two will always have close fights imo.

Barring luckily getting two shots at Froch and being stopped both times, who has Groves fought? Glen Johnson's corpse?

Gonzales and Piotor Wilczewski are better than anyone Groves has fought. Periban is too.

[LacedUp]

Barring luckily getting two shots at Froch and being stopped both times, who has Groves fought? Glen Johnson's corpse?

Gonzales and Piotor Wilczewski are better than anyone Groves has fought. Periban is too.

DeGale hasn't fought Periban yet. Gonzales? In what world? His best fight is a draw with Oosthuizen. Only saw that polish guy fight against Degale and I wasn't impressed with either of them on that night. A quick look at his record says he's been stopped by Curtis Stevens in two rounds, not really that impressive. I would certainly pick Johnson to give him a helluva fight even in that state.

Paul Smith is better than both and they are no better than Rebrasse. And certainly not to the level of a Carl Froch who Groves had two very competitive fights with.

I'm not talking resume either, couldn't care less. Other than Froch and each other there are no really good names on eithers resume.

But I'm just asking how Degale has improved because he fights exactly the same as he did in 2011 whereas Groves doesn't.

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DeGale hasn't fought Periban yet. Gonzales? In what world? His best fight is a draw with Oosthuizen. Only saw that polish guy fight against Degale and I wasn't impressed with either of them on that night. A quick look at his record says he's been stopped by Curtis Stevens in two rounds, not really that impressive. I would certainly pick Johnson to give him a helluva fight even in that state.

Paul Smith is better than both and they are no better than Rebrasse. And certainly not to the level of a Carl Froch who Groves had two very competitive fights with.

I'm not talking resume either, couldn't care less. Other than Froch and each other there are no really good names on eithers resume.

But I'm just asking how Degale has improved because he fights exactly the same as he did in 2011 whereas Groves doesn't.

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Degale struggled against Gevorg Khatchikian on channel 5 and got tagged repeatedly in that fight.
He's pretty much the same fighter and gets beat again in a same fashion, might even get dropped on the way to a decision.

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Groves got a sympathy decision from the judges in the first fight.

DeGale sparks him out in a rematch

Same way Froch got a sympathy stoppage in the first fight after the schooling he received

Hopefully this fight happens again and Groves sends him right back to the channel 5 TV schedule right before Sunset Beach lol

[Dirk Diggler UK]

DeGale hasn't fought Periban yet. Gonzales? In what world? His best fight is a draw with Oosthuizen. Only saw that polish guy fight against Degale and I wasn't impressed with either of them on that night. A quick look at his record says he's been stopped by Curtis Stevens in two rounds, not really that impressive. I would certainly pick Johnson to give him a helluva fight even in that state.

Paul Smith is better than both and they are no better than Rebrasse. And certainly not to the level of a Carl Froch who Groves had two very competitive fights with.

I'm not talking resume either, couldn't care less. Other than Froch and each other there are no really good names on eithers resume.

But I'm just asking how Degale has improved because he fights exactly the same as he did in 2011 whereas Groves doesn't.

Gonzales deserved the decision against Oosthuizen. Wilczewski was European champion and gave Abraham a decent fight for the world title after losing to DeGale. Mixed in much higher class than Rebrasse who was just a stiff really.

DeGale already embarrassed Smith in his hometown before Groves fought him. And Periban is far better than the bum Groves is fighting.

Like I said, outside of the two Froch fights which he was lucky to get, DeGale's resume is better.

How does Groves fight any different? He's basically an Ugly Ginger version of David Haye with less stamina and possibly a worse chin.

DeGale fought differently last time against Gonzales. Much more aggressive and authoritative.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Same way Froch got a sympathy stoppage in the first fight after the schooling he received

Hopefully this fight happens again and Groves sends him right back to the channel 5 TV schedule right before Sunset Beach lol

Groves was out on his feet and about to get knocked clean out the way he did in the rematch.

Ugly kid has no stamina. The only reason he lasted 12 with DeGale the first time was because DeGale fought the wrong fight. Even then, he still deserved the decision.

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Groves was out on his feet and about to get knocked clean out the way he did in the rematch.

Ugly kid has no stamina. The only reason he lasted 12 with DeGale the first time was because DeGale fought the wrong fight. Even then, he still deserved the decision.

This is the same Degale who gassed out against some European level fighter on channel 5. The only reason he got tagged so much was because he had such poor stamina he couldn't even defend himself properly.
And then Chunky goes on to beat some T.M.T bum and all of a sudden he's a an elite fighter.

Hopefully the rematch happens in the future and then we'll see another schooling.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

This is the same Degale who gassed out against some European level fighter on channel 5. The only reason he got tagged so much was because he had such poor stamina he couldn't even defend himself properly.
And then Chunky goes on to beat some T.M.T bum and all of a sudden he's a an elite fighter.

Hopefully the rematch happens in the future and then we'll see another schooling.

DeGale has never gassed out. He's been fighting with knee and groin injuries. I don't rate Jim McDonnell as a trainer but the one thing he's good at is getting his fighters fit.

Running around the ring and feinting before getting a 1 point sympathy decision from the judges is not a "schooling"

[Build That Wall]

Degale won the first time and got robbed. Degale will get justice in a rematch.

[LacedUp]

Gonzales deserved the decision against Oosthuizen. Wilczewski was European champion and gave Abraham a decent fight for the world title after losing to DeGale. Mixed in much higher class than Rebrasse who was just a stiff really.

DeGale already embarrassed Smith in his hometown before Groves fought him. And Periban is far better than the bum Groves is fighting.

Like I said, outside of the two Froch fights which he was lucky to get, DeGale's resume is better.

How does Groves fight any different? He's basically an Ugly Ginger version of David Haye with less stamina and possibly a worse chin.

DeGale fought differently last time against Gonzales. Much more aggressive and authoritative.

So was rebrasse a european champion and they had mixed in similar level up until each of them fought Groves/Degale. Alcoba also in 32 fights had only lost to Stevenson and went 12 with Felix Sturm.

So what? They fought the same Smith and Groves demolished him. It doesn't matter if he was lucky to get it, he gave Froch his career hardest fight, dropped him and made him look silly at times in their first fight. Still had a competitive fight with him in the second fight before getting flattened.

I didn't even start talking resume, you did. I commented on someone saying Degale had improved more, and i'm just thinking when I ever saw that because he's fought everyone exactly the same. He did fight a good fight against Gonzales but it was evident from the first bell that Gonzales was nowhere near Degale's level. Groves would have done the same to him.

And Groves is much stronger now, sits more on his punches and has found himself more as compared to in 2011 where he was trying to be David Haye and didn't look particularly good doing it. Still managed to beat Degale.