Ortiz did not beat the count

[Dirk Diggler UK]

but isn't at the referee criteria to decide if he let the fighter continue or not? for example khan beat the count against garcia and he even says he is ok but bayless doesn't allowed him to continue, and he waved him off.

Yeah but Ortiz didn't beat the count so it's irrelevant whether he could continue or not.

[racer59]

He is clearly up off the canvas

But the rule is not off the canvas

The last part of the rule

" If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

Not hard to misinterpret "come to the scratch"

Even though that's not common American verbiage, it means ready to go, not on your way up or knee off the canvas. Since he wasn't standing up until 10, he is out.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

The video will not let me embed but watch this and watch the shotime clock.
His knee touches down at 30, he gets to his feet with 17 left on the clock. That is 13 seconds by my watch.

He didn't beat the referees slow count either. He moved towards Ortiz at 9 and he didn't even begin to rise until after he'd said 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfxP7uVR0RU

The guy lost, he didn't beat the count and was saved from a blatant hellacious beatdown.

He was down for 13 seconds & didn't beat the 10 count! He was still on his way up when out was called.

People can't count to 10.

He was counted out in the act of rising.

If you go by the clock yes but the ref rushed from 9 to 10. The 10 came in as he was rising.

I didnt agree with the stoppage cause it robbed me of some La Maquina time but the dude didn't want it. He even spit the mouthpiece out. Did you hear the sound on that shot? Ooooowee

[Dean_Razorback]

Yeah but Ortiz didn't beat the count so it's irrelevant whether he could continue or not.

i know what you are saying, but if someone believe he did beat the count, you could also say esteves considered he wasn't able to continue, is his judgment after all.

[racer59]

I was admitting I was wrong. You don't have to be a **** about it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I can admit it.

[Russian Crushin]

He is off his knee yes but he is still slumped over with his hands almost by his knees, still rising as its waved.

He isn't completely upright and offering his gloves.

I seen his soul leave his body from a Matthysse uppercut just prior, his body language was horrible after that. I think that livershot gave him the excuse he needed to get out of the fight.

You don't take a 9.5 count & risk it if you want to continue.

So he was up.

Why cant he take a 9.5 count, when he has more than that

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I was admitting I was wrong. You don't have to be a **** about it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I can admit it.

Misunderstanding, mate. I wasn't being a **** to you. That post was directed towards Ragnar Lothbrok who blocked me from his thread.

If you check, I actually gave you Green K for admitting that.

[racer59]

Misunderstanding, mate. I wasn't being a **** to you. That post was directed towards Ragnar Lothbrok who blocked me from his thread.

If you check, I actually gave you Green K for admitting that.

I stand corrected. I didn't even know blocking from a thread was possible. Thanks as well.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

i know what you are saying, but if someone believe he did beat the count, you could also say esteves considered he wasn't able to continue, is his judgment after all.

You could but I don't think that's what happened. Ortiz could have probably continued and most refs would have let him if he'd actually beaten the count.

I don't even particularly agree with the rule. Common sense says the fight should have gone on. But it's the rules. A 10 count is a 10 count and the ref shouldn't be blamed for following the rules.

[Russian Crushin]

But the rule is not off the canvas

The last part of the rule

" If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

Not hard to misinterpret "come to the scratch"

Even though that's not common American verbiage, it means ready to go, not on your way up or knee off the canvas. Since he wasn't standing up until 10, he is out.

Why are you quoting Marquis of Queensberry Rules? They arent used. Also, why cut off the entire rule

If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man.

Looks to be on his legs to me